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Author:  RPW [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:19 am ]
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<strong>Written By:</strong> RPW
<strong>Date:</strong> 2007-01-19 10:19:00
<a href="/article/81911590-flexing-muscle-china-destroys-satellite-in-test">Article Link</a>


<a href="http://www.nytimes.com:80/2007/01/19/world/asia/19china.html?ex=1169874000&en=2d2b5a87c98541de&ei=5070&emc=eta1">http://www.nytimes.com:80/2007/01/19/world/asia/19china.html?ex=1169874000&en=2d2b5a87c98541de&ei=5070&emc=eta1</a>

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Editor's note: Micheal Scott submitted this link:

<a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070119.wchinatest0119/BNStory/International/home">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070119.wchinatest0119/BNStory/International/home</a>

It describes the weapon as a 'missle', but others speculate it was a 'laser'. DrC]

Commentary:

Well yeah, it COULD precede a "diplomatic effort". But it is my contention that we are witnessing the beginnings of a Chinese push for hegemony. It could take any number of pathways, but by far the simplest one (in light of the above), is to close China to exports, and cripple the world's satellite communications systems and GPS systems.

I find it quite "comical" that we in the west are slavering over the "bones" China is throwing us. Mr. Harper, for instance, is being chastised by business for not jumping on the China wagon quickly enough, and all eyes are looking to the proverbial east. So far, we are not fighting among ourselves for these "scraps", as we perceive there to be more than enough for everyone. But given that China's anti-satellite demonstration is a "troubling development", what exactly ARE we doing here? Trying to see who can collect the most marbles before it all falls apart?

How many people refused to see what the chicken bones were plainly saying prior to WWII? Chinese leadership must well and truly be "laughing up its sleeve" at our scrabbling cupidity.......

BTW
As New York Times online articles are only available on a time-limited basis, I have saved it for anyone who "missed out".







[Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on January 22, 2007]

Author:  rearguard [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:08 pm ]
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All wars are fought for economic reasons alone. It's all about the domination over one group of people so that a select few in another group can take whatever they please for themselves.

The stated reasons for war are always lies, designed to trick the masses into accepting the need for war and to fool them into commiting mass murder and suicide for someone else's benefit.

Author:  Ed Deak [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:21 pm ]
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You're, of course, right, but it can be simplified to cover all angles in one sentence:

"All wars are fought for energy control"

Ed Deak.

Author:  boflaade [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:04 pm ]
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How dare the Chinese invade the Americans space. They (the Americans)had issued warnings to the rest of the world that nobody enters space without their approval. Only the Americans may have the capability of eliminating space craft. Somebody else may get the idea that they too can have surveillance systems in space or even weapons. No, no! This is only the Americans domain.

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Author:  RPW [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:05 am ]
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/18/missile-test.html">http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/18/missile-test.html</a><br />
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What a waste of media time and space............<p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
-Max Planck<br />
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Author:  no1important [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:36 am ]
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So what? What is the big deal? They ko'd one oft heir satellites.

Why does Bush act all surprised China has the capability to do this? It ain't nothing new. What can or will the US do about it? Nothing. Just bitch and whine as usual.

So the US thinks they own space too. What arrogant pricks in that Bush administration.

But since Harpers government expressed concern, the Chinese must be shaking in their boots.

Maybe Flaherty ill straighten the Chinese out on his visit? ha ha

Author:  rearguard [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:38 am ]
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"So what? What is the big deal? They ko'd one oft heir satellites."

One legitimate big deal, is that a destroyed satellite creates hundereds or even thousands of tiny projectiles (space junk) that pose a risk to other satellites and to manned space missions in low orbit. These projectiles will stay in orbit for many years, or decades, or millennium, depending on how stable the individual orbits are.

Basically, destroying anything in orbit is as stupid as stupid gets.

The worse space atrocity was commited by the USA (surprise surprise) when it detonated nuclear bombs in low earth orbit.

Author:  boflaade [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:34 pm ]
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But since Harpers government expressed concern, the Chinese must be shaking in their boots.<<

Actually, I did hear that one Chinese dignitary dropped a grain of rice off his chopsticks, when he heard that.

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Author:  boflaade [ Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:37 pm ]
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Basically, destroying anything in orbit is as stupid as stupid gets.<<

It was a Government sanctioned effort!


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Author:  Deacon [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:27 pm ]
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Harper, first of all, is an idiot.

Secondly, so they can trash a dead satellite, whoopdeedoo.

What I want to know is the current status of their ballistic missile submarine program.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Author:  RPW [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:39 pm ]
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"China’s apparent success in destroying one of its own orbiting satellites with a ballistic missile signals that its rising military intends to contest American supremacy in space, a realm many here consider increasingly crucial to national security."<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com:80/2007/01/20/world/asia/20china.html?ex=1169960400&en=abceb86fe881f10c&ei=5070&emc=eta1">http://www.nytimes.com:80/2007/01/20/world/asia/20china.html?ex=1169960400&en=abceb86fe881f10c&ei=5070&emc=eta1</a><br />
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The United States uses it's military to augment it's merchantile ambitions around the world, virtually identical to any empire of the past. It may be said to be the main function of a military -- just another factor in doing business (not to mention a great subsidy to business, in that those who benefit the most from miltary intervention are never the ones who have to pay to maintain the military).<br />
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So now China has revealed its intention to pursue a course similar to all those in the past which have subscribed to von Clauswitz's "War is a continuation of politics by other means."<br />
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Did anyone think that China would do elsewise with it's newfound influence? <p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
-Max Planck<br />
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Author:  RPW [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:45 pm ]
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Submarines:<br />
<a href="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041202-115302-2338r.htm">http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041202-115302-2338r.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/wm1001.cfm">http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/wm1001.cfm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20061113-121539-3317r.htm">http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20061113-121539-3317r.htm</a><br />
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However, it should be noted that most miltaries rely on some form of GPS today. Removing satellites effectively removes the "eyes" of the military.<p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
-Max Planck<br />
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Author:  Deacon [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:23 pm ]
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Any Navy worth it's weight in anything would make sure that all it's ships had at least one sextant on board.

Once you knew where you are, program your current co-ordinates into the targeting computer and let the inertial guidance system take care of the rest.

Unless someone has recently invented the spindizzy, cities and/or military bases do not move. Thus no GPS is needed.


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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Author:  Dr Caleb [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:33 pm ]
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"Did anyone think that China would do elsewise with it's newfound influence?"

I wonder if Americans will see the irony in the statement "Thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart."


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Author:  Deacon [ Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:23 pm ]
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Not sure Dr Caleb

If it's not on CNN and simplified so that it's meaning is obvious, I somehow doubt it.

Remember, this is the country where "axing fo a sammich" is considered proper and acceptable language.

Isn't an underfunded education system a wonder to behold?

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

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