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Author:  BC Mary [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:48 am ]
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<strong>Written By:</strong> BC Mary
<strong>Date:</strong> 2007-01-24 09:48:24
<a href="/article/94824313-raw-logs-exports-cause-another-bc-mill-closure-and-300-jobs-lost">Article Link</a>

"Meanwhile, the B.C. government allows five million cubic meters of raw logs to be exported a year -- enough to run 10 coastal mills," the ad says.

The ad calls on Premier Gordon Campbell and Forests Minister Rich Coleman to act fast to impose higher fees on exported logs to save the jobs.

"There's two and a half freighters loaded every week down at the Surrey docks of logs being exported, and those logs go virtually past the mill," said Brian Harder, president of the USW local that represents the mill's workers.

If those logs stayed in the country, Harder is confident the mill would remain open.

A report commissioned by the government and released last month has called for higher fees on exported logs so that it is no longer more profitable to export logs than process them. The province has asked stakeholders to provide comments on the report before the end of the month.

But Harder said the government has to act sooner if the New Westminster mill is to be saved.

"If they make a decision early, they can intervene and protect this mill and keep the jobs here in Canada," Harder said. "Because nobody is going to come around and rebuild the sawmill [once it's closed]."

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[Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on January 24, 2007]

Author:  Patm [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:56 am ]
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But if we cut the logs here, that means less profit when the finished goods are re-imported and sold at Home Depot and Ikea...

Next thing you know, you'll be saying that we shouldn't be exporting 60% of the energy we produce and re-importing 70% of the energy we use at much higher prices. What would happen to the economy then? Communist, thats what it is!

Author:  Diogenes [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:04 am ]
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Well this IS news isn't it!
For how many decades has this been going on?

Maybe RPW will resurrect his Arnold-Aimery /
No?
I thought not.


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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

Author:  Ed Deak [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:03 pm ]
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Shows the level of understanding by the Steelworkers, apparently ,inherited from the IWA.

Munro lost tousands of IWA jobs during his presidency and did absolutely nothing to prevent overcapitalized automation, not a word against the MAI, or and any other "free trade" fraud.

I spoke to BC Fed president Jim Sinclear in the early days of the Campbell gang, when unionists were walking around with placards "Mr.Campbell, Your cuts are too deep", I tried to explain to him that Campbell didnt cut anything, because costs can not be cut, but only be "transferred costs on other sectors" , but it didnt register at all and they kept going around in their merry circles with their silly sandwichboards that didnt mean a damn thing.

Now theyre protesting raw log exports, while supporting NAFTA, without understanding that under NAFTA rules the exports can not be stopped, cut back, or penalized.

As long as we stay in NAFTA and the WTO, those exports must continue, or increase to the last log.

Now, how can anybody explain anything to union, or any other
"leaders"

Ed Deak

PS: Why does this page jump up and out of sight every time I try to put in an apostrophe ? Anybody else has this problem?

Author:  Patm [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:15 pm ]
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Unfortunatly, union executives listen to their pet Economists (like Andrew Jackson of the CLC). These economists cannot see the forest for the trees! I had an email exchange with Mr. Jackson about fighting the NAIRU concept. My stance is that the high unemployment rate maintained by the Bank of Canada is fraudlent and only "required" due to the fast expansion of credit. Stop the credit and you eliminate the need for high unemployment.

Mr. Jackson's position seemed to completely ignore the expansion of credit. His position is that the BoC should let unemployment go lower and the extra growth would take care of the credit problem. Just how extra growth (which must be fueled by extra credit) is supposed to help overall debt, I cannot see since to grow, we must borrow.

Author:  boflaade [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:51 pm ]
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WFP, CFP and all other logging companies are laughing to the bank. They have been exporting logs forever. Campbell ony removed the requirement that IF they were to process the logs, they no longer have to do it localy. It seems the union didn't notice all the mill closures on Vancouver island. I guess it don't matter untill their membership dues are reduced. Goodwin & Johnston are probably crying the blues because there isn't room in the Indian Arm to tie up the booms of logs. Then again, there may be more ships coming in and out of the habour. "The economy is good" when that happens.

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

Author:  Ed Deak [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:17 pm ]
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PatM I was on the same forum with Jackson a few years ago, I can't remember what it was all about, but he wrote that I don't understand economics. He was right. Not his kind anyway and would be ashamed if I did.

I've seen him years ago in TV debates with other so called "economists" like John Crispo and Sylvia Crystal and even those nutheads could run circles around him. It was an agony to watch.

No wonder they still support NAFTA, or at least are scared to stand up and tell the facts. If they understand them at all.

I'm not surprised that most unionists vote for suicide Parties, like here in 4 union towns, where the same warmed up Reform fossils are getting re-elected.

Ed Deak.

Author:  RPW [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:03 pm ]
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<blockquote> Maybe RPW will resurrect his Arnold-Aimery </blockquote> Certainly! In the end, it is ALWAYS what happens. Come out of your coffeehouse, and check your history. <p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
-Max Planck<br />
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Author:  Diogenes [ Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:04 am ]
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OH CHRIST!!! that explains it a history groupie that's just another shit swallower.



I don't do coffee houses ad any coffee house on this continent is filled with later day yuppie or their equivalent


Re-cognize the the following from any of your history books?

Colonel Edward Mandel House
a legendary power broker,
in a private meeting with
Woodrow Wilson (President 1913-1921)


“[Very} soon, every American will be required to register their biological property (that's you and your children) in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency.

“Every American will be forced to register
or suffer being able to work and earn a living."

"They will be our chattels, (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges."

“They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges."

"This will inevitably reap us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”





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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

Author:  RPW [ Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:05 am ]
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<blockquote> I don't do coffee houses </blockquote>You certainly have the patina of the coffeehouse.........

History merely shows that entropy = dictatorship.

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"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
-Max Planck

Author:  Diogenes [ Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:20 pm ]
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I am always amused with the speculations of those with limited capacity as they struggle in the dark to sort out issues and stumble around trying to plug people and events into the pigeon hole of their mind.
In your own way you have joined forces with the indies, warlocks, Wayne Coady’s and others of their kind
Carry on with the issue dodging tactics you use as it saves me visiting the humour section

The issue of the thread is raw log exportation not whether or not I fit into the passage ways of your I am always amused with the speculations of those with limited capacity as they struggle in the dark to sort out issues and stumble around trying to plug people and events into the pigeon hole of their mind.
In your own way you have joined forces with the indies, warlocks, Wayne Coady’s and others of their kind
Carry on with the issue dodging tactics you use as it saves me visiting the humour section
programmed mind mind.


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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

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