Turkey Announces its Intention to Go to War with Russia

Mesut Hakki Casin, a prominent member of Turkey’s Security and Foreign Policy Board, who advises Erdogan, said: “We have fought Russia 16 times in the past, and we will fight it again.“

Casin made his statements following the death of 33 Turkish soldiers who were killed in an airstrike by Russian-backed Syrian forces in Idlib.

The official hinted that they will use Muslims inside Russia to assist them with their efforts saying that Moscow will be “will be shattered from inside” should a war break out between the two countries.

Following a request from Ankara, NATO convened an urgent meeting to review the situation in Idlib on Friday. Turkish officials vowed to retaliate against Syria following the attack on their troops.

Russia to Turkey: We cannot guarantee safety of your planes over Syria - TASS

MOSCOW (Reuters) - The Russian Defence Ministry said on Sunday that Moscow could not guarantee the safety of Turkish planes flying in Syria after Damascus said it was closing the air space over the Idlib region, the TASS news agency reported.

The ministry issued the warning after Turkey shot down two Syrian warplanes over Idlib on Sunday and struck a military airport well beyond its frontlines in a sharp increase of its military operations following the death of dozens of Turkish soldiers last week.

“In these conditions the leadership of Russia’s military contingent (in Syria) cannot guarantee the safety of Turkish flights in Syrian skies,” TASS cited Counter Admiral Oleg Zhuravlev as saying.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/146018/turkey-announces-its-intention-to-go-to-war-with-russia/



Yesterday the fucking Turks shot down two Syrian fighters inside Syria and then attacked a Syrian government airfield.

The Russian government today delivered a diplomatic note to Turkey advising them that Russia will not guarantee the safety of Turkish forces operating inside Syria on the ground or in the air.

Reuters neglected to mention the ground comments:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... SKBN20O2AL



I see no downside from these two countries going to war so long as NATO stays out of it.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

If that asshole Erdogan is attacked in Europe and calls for help from NATO we as signatories of article 5 of the Washington Treaty are obliged to assist him ...................... unless of course minor legalities.

Not if they start it. Which if they just announced their intention to go to war... they started it.

BTW if you read the article you notice that in Article 5 there is no mention of a NATO country being the aggressor so even if Turkey starts a war with Russia it likely doesn't negate the fact that if they attack Turkey on European soil it's still incumbent on the NATO countries to come to their defence.

It's literally in the name of it. Your not defending if you attack first. That's why NATO wasn't in Iraq.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

Article 6 1
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

Sorry but I have to disagree. NATO wasn't in Iraq because it was "IRAQ" and they weren't asked. The article specifically states a member has to be attacked in Europe or North America or on Turkish Territory or territory owned by NATO members . It also doesn't state "attacked first" it simply states "attacked".



Also, apparently if Turkey is attacked on the Anatolian peninsula it can be construed as an attack on NATO which is the scary part because that's going to be the area the Russians will likely hit first if this escalates.

I'm thinking that nobody back in 1949 ever thought one of the NATO members would go rogue and start a conflict so, there was no need to put in an "attacked first" clause which would have, when you think about it hamstrung European NATO members when it came to defending themselves against a Warsaw Pact build up.