If someone REALLY wants to do something about 'climate change', then go enforce China, India, and those third world countries that are more responsible than the rest of the world for most of the pollution and whatnot.
-J.
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| Author: | herbie [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:14 am ] |
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Yes guys, the times are a changing. Everyone can see Climate Change with their own eyes. So like with Covid deniers, the most ass-backwards have just got louder. |
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| Author: | bootlegga [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Omnibus Climate Change thread |
Fasten your seatbelts: Electric air taxis set to hover over the horizon as soon as 2024 I'm skeptical they can get regulatory approval that fast, but it is an interesting concept. |
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| Author: | xerxes [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:55 pm ] |
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herbie herbie: Yes guys, the times are a changing. Everyone can see Climate Change with their own eyes. So like with Covid deniers, the most ass-backwards have just got louder. True, but I think a lot of people aren't ready for the full reality of what needs to be done to combat climate change. IIRC the upcoming IPCC report is going to say that global emissions have to peak by 2025 and start dropping off from there to even have a chance of keeping temperature increases to 2C. There is no way that is going to happen. To reduce carbon emissions will take a massive, radical restructuring of Western economies and societies. One that a vast majority of people will resist, and likely violently. Look at some people's reaction of wearing a mask or getting a vaccine that can save their life. Now tell them that they can only drive 1/5 as much as they used to or they can't get fresh fruit in the middle of winter like they used to. We're screwed. |
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| Author: | raydan [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Omnibus Climate Change thread |
bootlegga bootlegga: Fasten your seatbelts: Electric air taxis set to hover over the horizon as soon as 2024 I'm skeptical they can get regulatory approval that fast, but it is an interesting concept. Depends on how we'll be producing all that extra electricity we'll be using. Also, like a lot of new technologies, this one will be VERY expensive for users at the beginning and so accessible to only a few (guess who) for a while. |
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| Author: | Scape [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:12 pm ] |
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| Author: | CDN_PATRIOT [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Omnibus Climate Change thread |
If someone REALLY wants to do something about 'climate change', then go enforce China, India, and those third world countries that are more responsible than the rest of the world for most of the pollution and whatnot. -J. |
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| Author: | Thanos [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Omnibus Climate Change thread |
You're not wrong. Put an international embargo on coal shipments to China and overall emissions would drop by about 25% in the blink of an eye by the Chinese being forced to switch to nuclear or natural gas as fuel for their power generation. This is the shit that can be done and should be done. But it won't be done, ever, because it's too much fun for the moral scolds of the left to mock things like carbon capture and keep going "windmills? YAY!". Half a step forward and ten steps back on any given day with this issue, and all because some people are too addicted to the smugness that their self-righteous correctness gives them. 
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| Author: | DrCaleb [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Omnibus Climate Change thread |
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT: If someone REALLY wants to do something about 'climate change', then go enforce China, India, and those third world countries that are more responsible than the rest of the world for most of the pollution and whatnot. -J. Parroting the rights' position again? The industrial revolution did not happen in China or India. The West is responsible for the vast majority of historical emissions, and we should get our act together before asking anyone else to. Which is another position we've been demolishing for 20 years. Have anything new? |
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| Author: | CDN_PATRIOT [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:39 pm ] |
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$1: Which is another position we've been demolishing for 20 years. Have anything new? 0: pollute.jpg [ 60.31 KiB | Viewed 69 times ] https://climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-polluters/ https://www.activesustainability.com/environment/top-5-most-polluting-countries/ https://climate.selectra.com/en/carbon-footprint/most-polluting-countries https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/07/14/china-us-countries-that-produce-the-most-co-2-emissions/39548763/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/12/04/the-worlds-top-10-carbon-dioxide-emitters/?sh=4f662d542d04 https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data Notice how every source has China at #1, and India at #3 or #4? What have you 'demolished' exactly? Every source I can find says the same dame thing, and the above examples are just a few out of about 30-40 sources I've looked into, from non-profit environmental groups to government agencies to independent researchers. Unless of course, everyone is wrong but you.... -J. |
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| Author: | rickc [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:16 pm ] |
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The fact that the U.S. is number 2 on the list does not look very good. 24% of the electricity in the U.S. is generated by burning coal, so that would be a good place to start. |
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| Author: | Tricks [ Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Omnibus Climate Change thread |
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT: $1: Which is another position we've been demolishing for 20 years. Have anything new? 0: pollute.jpg https://climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-polluters/ https://www.activesustainability.com/environment/top-5-most-polluting-countries/ https://climate.selectra.com/en/carbon-footprint/most-polluting-countries https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/07/14/china-us-countries-that-produce-the-most-co-2-emissions/39548763/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/12/04/the-worlds-top-10-carbon-dioxide-emitters/?sh=4f662d542d04 https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data Notice how every source has China at #1, and India at #3 or #4? What have you 'demolished' exactly? Every source I can find says the same dame thing, and the above examples are just a few out of about 30-40 sources I've looked into, from non-profit environmental groups to government agencies to independent researchers. Unless of course, everyone is wrong but you.... -J. He said historical emissions. China doesn't come close. It's about half of the U.S. Infact the U.S. is higher than the entirety of the European Union. Let that one sink in for a second. |
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| Author: | DrCaleb [ Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:57 am ] |
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^^^ Read what I write, not what you think I write.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... _emissions |
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| Author: | Tricks [ Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:38 am ] |
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Note, that graph is only showing from 1970, when China would have been actively contributing. Go back another 100 years and the gap is much wider. |
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| Author: | DrCaleb [ Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:47 am ] |
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^^^ Most of the data available for pre 1970 was through Java generated charts, so linking to it was more difficult than the 60 seconds I dedicated to it would require. I get tired of doing people's homework for them. |
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| Author: | DrCaleb [ Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:06 am ] |
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$1: Scientists race to preserve crucial climate records in glacier ice before they melt away Glacier ice contains info about past climate, including snowfall reords, samples of air, pollen Scientists are racing to collect ice cores — along with long-frozen records they hold of climate cycles — as global warming melts glaciers and ice sheets. Some say they are running out of time. And, in some cases, it's already too late. Late last year, German-born chemist Margit Schwikowski and a team of international scientists attempted to gather ice cores from the Grand Combin glacier, high on the Swiss-Italian border, for a United Nations-backed climate monitoring effort. In 2018, they had scouted the site by helicopter and drilled a shallow test core. The core was in good shape, said Schwikowski: It had well-preserved atmospheric gases and chemical evidence of past climates, and ground-penetrating radar showed a deep glacier. Not all glaciers in the Alps preserve both summer and winter snowfall; if all went as planned, these cores would have been the oldest to date that did, she said.  $1: Margit Schwikowski and other scientists from the Ice Memory Project prepare to drill on Monte Rosa in June 2021. The researchers sped up their plans to collect samples there after lower elevation samples in the Alps were found to be melted already. (Enrico Costa/Ca' Foscari University of Venice/Reuters) https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/ice-cor ... -1.6173478 |
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