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Author:  Newsbot [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
Title: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine sales practices
Category: Business
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2017-10-04 07:02:35
Canadian
Author:  shockedcanadian [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:44 am ]
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Wait a minute, I thought it was America that was protectionist? Hell they could have WTO complaints everyday against communist Ontario.
Author:  DrCaleb [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
Do you actually think that Canadian wine would be given the same prominence in US stores as US wine?
Author:  BartSimpson [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
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In the complaint, the U.S. argues that local wines have an unfair advantage in B.C. due to the province's rules that ban imported wine from grocery store shelves.

The rules dictate that imported products are relegated to a "store-within-a-store" model, separate from B.C. products and therefore appear discriminatory and inconsistent with a WTO agreement, according to the complaint.


If BC can't come up with a substantial and compelling reason as to why they do this then, yes, it is discriminatory and unfair.

BC wines are not isolated at any wine store in California and I occasionally buy Okanagan wines at Total Wine and even Costco if they have it.
Author:  herbie [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
FFS wine sales were reluctantly introduced in grocery stores.
There isn't even a dozen stores with them in the whole province yet, this is a bullshit complaint.
Seeing as how the major grocery chain here is owned by Jim Pattison, I don't see the NDP/Greens issuing licenses to too many more.
Author:  xerxes [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
Its not like it’s every liquor and wine store. It’s just the ones inside grocery stores (which is still weird seeing). All the other stores have a large selection of American wines.
Author:  martin14 [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
herbie herbie:
FFS wine sales were reluctantly introduced in grocery stores.
There isn't even a dozen stores with them in the whole province yet, this is a bullshit complaint.
Seeing as how the major grocery chain here is owned by Jim Pattison, I don't see the NDP/Greens issuing licenses to too many more.


Looks like the easiest solution would be to withdraw the stores that have
wine for sale. Level playing field again.


xerxes xerxes:
Its not like it’s every liquor and wine store. It’s just the ones inside grocery stores (which is still weird seeing). All the other stores have a large selection of American wines.


Yo haven't lived until you have been to a place where they
sell hard liquor in the gas station.
Sadly, not by the glass. :lol:
Author:  BartSimpson [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
More on this:

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/3/bc-n ... e-shelves/

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No grocery store in the province is allowed to carry international wines on store shelves because that is against B.C. law.


Oh, well since that's the case then BC asked for an ass-kicking in the WTO.

Enjoy. [B-o]
Author:  herbie [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
Pettiness seems to be a requirement in all US policy these days, whether trade, international relations or internal policies.
Author:  BartSimpson [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
The Bel Air grocery store about 1km away from my new office has one entire refrigerated aisle for beer and then another entire aisle for wine and spirits.

This is totally common in California and most of the US save for Massachusetts where they have their heads up their asses.
Author:  Strutz [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
The Save on Foods we sometimes shop at has a pretty small section for wines. I don't know why they even bothered with it at all especially since there is a large government liquor store in the same strip mall. Government and private liquor stores have lots of selection of US and other imported wines so it's not difficult to get them.
Author:  BartSimpson [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
herbie herbie:
Pettiness seems to be a requirement in all US policy these days, whether trade, international relations or internal policies.


We have Canadian wines on the shelves with everything else down here. That doesn't seem very petty.

Especially to Canadian wine producers. :idea:
Author:  DrCaleb [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
We have Canadian wines on the shelves with everything else down here. That doesn't seem very petty.

Especially to Canadian wine producers. :idea:


I actually didn't think you guys would enjoy our wines. Although, I do really like a few BC wines, somehow I didn't think you would, given the quality of some California ones.
Author:  shockedcanadian [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
Canada has been protectionist, covertly interventionalist and sometimes overt as in this case, since the dawn of time. The result of a nation (and various provinces) that rewarded blind loyalty to state and monarchy power.

Now Canada is being called out on everything, a strong offensive by America that has seen massive auto industry jobs leave for Canada, while Canada doesn't even have a domestic auto industry. Large corporate HQ movement into Canada even while Canada offers little job exporting to the U.S outside of state influenced banks and Tim Horton stores, and maybe some oil jobs.

So now it appears America has become wise to these tactics. A massive tax cut in the U.S will attract more businesses to America and challenges by America to Canada to either become a capitalist country in which economic and social freedoms of Canadians are broad and deep, or, we remain a socialist country of government patsies, covert police and crony capitalists "protecting" their UnGodly powers.

Generations of exploitation, followed by many lost generations. No wonder PM May got involved in the Boeing dispute. She is trying to stand up for the submissive colony across the ocean who happily employs so many in Ireland. Talk about a comedy of arrogance that knows no limits.

From the Toronto Police to the OPP and RCMP, I see a future in which their budgets and powers decrease. There is already very strong support for these cuts, even as these sea going snitches try and justify their existence and covert operations.
Author:  Freakinoldguy [ Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: U.S. files 2nd WTO complaint over alleged unfair B.C. wine s
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
More on this:

https://www.biv.com/article/2017/3/bc-n ... e-shelves/

$1:
No grocery store in the province is allowed to carry international wines on store shelves because that is against B.C. law.


Oh, well since that's the case then BC asked for an ass-kicking in the WTO.

Enjoy. [B-o]


Another troubling point the article brought up is the fact that The Real Canadian Superstore is being allowed to sell wine and beer. It's troubling because, when the gov't first came out with this policy they were adamant that "big box stores" weren't going to be given licences for this type of alcohol sales since it was to help out the small grocery stores.

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B.C. grocers who want to have store-within-a store liquor sales must be a minimum of 10,000 square feet and maintain 75 per cent of their sales in food products, the provincial justice ministry has announced.

But “big box” retailers such as Walmart, which sell substantial amounts of groceries, will not be allowed to sell liquor on the grocery-store model or in any fashion, at least for now.


http://www.vancouversun.com/takes+next+ ... story.html

I guess Superstore isn't big box, shrank in square footage and doesn't sell nearly as many groceries as we thought . But here's another question. If that big box chain can sell wine and beer why can't Walmart Canada who sell alot less groceries than Superstore or Costco both with American parent companies?




Here's a powerpoint presentation about who the big dogs in the food sales industry are and guess what. It's Superstore with a 30% market share while Walmart is at a paltry 7% while the square footage size of a Superstore is 140,000 to 210,000 square feet. A little more than the 10K the gov't was talking about.

http://www.bordbia.ie/industry/manufact ... erview.pdf

So kiddies, can anyone explain what the term "protectionism" means? :wink:
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