I can, because our governments are just so incredibly and deeply stupid. This one should be fun to watch, with "fun" meaning incredibly depressing.
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| Author: | Newsbot [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
Title: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage recognition, plenty Category: Misc CDN Posted By: Strutz Date: 2017-11-13 11:32:08 Canadian |
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| Author: | Strutz [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:02 pm ] |
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I just can't see the government agreeing to allow the renaming of so many places, at least not on an official level. |
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| Author: | Thanos [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
I can, because our governments are just so incredibly and deeply stupid. This one should be fun to watch, with "fun" meaning incredibly depressing.
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| Author: | BartSimpson [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:27 pm ] |
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Strutz Strutz: I just can't see the government agreeing to allow the renaming of so many places, at least not on an official level. You forget who your national and provincial PM's are. |
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| Author: | Strutz [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
Oh believe me, I am well aware of the stupidity of all levels our governments can reach. We are all too frequently reminded of this. But to agree to change the names of so many communities, and especially a city as big as Calgary, is an enormous undertaking. People will absolutely freak out. |
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| Author: | BartSimpson [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
I personally miss the Queen Charlotte Islands. 
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| Author: | Thanos [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
This is Calgary though, where the dominant trend on city council has been drifting towards the stupid-left for a couple of decades now. They won't do an official name change unless the province leads the charge but they'll probably still spend about $20 million changing all the city letterhead to include the Native name and change all the welcome signs on the outskirts of town "just to be nice". I can think of maybe two councilors that will make a stink over this silly idea but every other one of them will either happily or barely-grudgingly go along with it. And they've all been recently re-elected too, so to them that means they have the stamp of approval to push ahead with whatever nonsense they want for the next four years. Calgary - for normal folks it's now a great place to see receding behind you in your rear-view mirror. This place is genuinely fucked. 
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| Author: | herbie [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
BartSimpson BartSimpson: I personally miss the Queen Charlotte Islands. So do I, but I don't live there. The resident's don't seem to be complaining and the cities have the same names. But having lived in many places I'm a little annoyed at "Salish Sea", "Great Bear Rain Forest" and "Metrotown" cuz I never, ever heard anyone call them that. Only big enough to be a sea if you're stupid enough to be out there in a canoe or kayak in a gale warning. And all the neighbours called them the Central Coast or Old Orchard... |
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| Author: | Thanos [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
And Mayor McNice is caving in already because, y'know, ya gotta be nice all the time. Except to the local hockey team that generates millions in revenue for the city and for dozens of off-shoot businesses. Them you can tell to go to hell. http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-new ... garys-name I really hate this stupid fucking city sometimes. 
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| Author: | Zipperfish [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
We had a bunch of places renamed in BC. Some catch on, some don't. You can rename them, you can't really force people to use them. I haven't heard Queen Charlotte Island in forever. Everybody says Haida Gwai now. And perhaps more significantly, because of the renamings up north, folks are a lot more interested in First Nations history in the area. And teh history is quite interesting. The Haida were like the Vikings of the area--Island nation warriors and all that. Lots of horrible history there. But the Squamish names never catch on due to their lack of vowels and us English speakers don't know how to pronounce the letter 7, or underscore-x. We use Salish Sea all the time in my business, which includes a lot of mariners. Sounds better than "Georgia Strait / Puget Sound" Vancouver--stupid name for a town. I quite like one of its original names--Terminal City. If the First Nations have a better name, I'm on board. |
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| Author: | ShepherdsDog [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
The Cree place names here aren't used either as the names are so long you'd think they were Welsh. |
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| Author: | JaredMilne [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
Building on what Zipperfish said, I think what will happen in the long run is that either some places will be renamed, most likely ones that we settlers aren't so attached to, while others get a sort of "co-naming", IOW some recognition of what their traditional Indigenous names are. It's highly unlikely places like Canmore or Calgary will be formally renamed-any politician who tried that wouldn't have enough left of their career to fill a teacup. Go back and read what the lawyer said in the article-this is a way for the Stoney people to assert their land rights and title...which are, like it or not, recognized by Section 35 of the 1982 Constitution Act. Seriously, a lot of these problems would be fixed, or at least greatly diminished, if we didn't stop digging in our own heels about everything from underfunding Indigenous services to recognizing land rights and not wearing headdresses people haven't earned. Telling Indigenous people that they should just become Canadian isn't going to work. We've been trying it for centuries, even attempting to force the issue, and it Just. Hasn't. Worked. |
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| Author: | herbie [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What's in a name' For Alberta First Nations seeking heritage |
Coming back from Rupert the cop said I was getting just a warning cuz it was raining and he'd have to spell the name of the place on the ticket.... |
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