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A different person calling the shots might have taken a different approaching in the handling of the most valuable asset the franchise has ever owned. He could have seen Karlsson as a player that comes along once in a generation and built around him. He may have decided to spend to the ceiling of the salary cap and taken a serious run at the Stanley Cup during Karlsson’s prime years.

But Melnyk can not or will not operate this way. He told us during his fool on the hill rant in front of the Parliament buildings seven months ago. He said there and then that he was going to run the team by keeping a “direct relationship” between revenues and players’ salaries, and that “even $68 million” was too much over the Senators revenue base.

The most recent post on CapFriendly has the Senators projected with a cap hit of $70,800,833 for the upcoming season, with a slew of players set to become UFA’s in July.

Karlsson priced himself out of the Senators budget the moment he said he was going to get what he’s worth upon the expiration of his current contract.

If they offered him $10 million a season it was done knowing he wouldn’t take it when Drew Doughty just signed for $11 million a season with the Los Angeles Kings. Karlsson has outscored Doughty by 96 points while playing 143 fewer games, and he also has a 2-1 lead on him in Norris Trophies.

No way was he going to accept $1 million a year less.

Years ago, Karlsson was unhappy with something I wrote about him. I tried to talk to him about it, but he walked away. When I asked his friend Robin Lehner to pass along some clarification, I was told it was useless.

“Erik is very stubborn,” said Lehner.

Hence, if he had his mind set on becoming the highest paid defenceman in the NHL, he was going to become the highest paid defenceman in the NHL.
And deservingly so, for what he has accomplished to date.

The big question is, what kind of player is Karlsson going to be for the next seven or eight years?

He didn’t win the Hart, but I still think he was the most valuable player in the league during the 2016-17 season, when he he had 71 points in 77 games and followed it up with 18 points in 19 playoff games.

He was outstanding defensively as he was offensively.

Karlsson was a different player last season, however.

Was it because of the ankle injury? Perhaps. He didn’t have the same explosive jump while pushing off his left foot. The strength wasn’t there for him to win as many D-zone battles.

Maybe that’s why he appeared to have less in playing the two-way game. Maybe he was trying to make up for his shortcomings in his own zone by doing more offensively.

It didn’t work out. He had 62 points, but his plus-minus dropped by 35 in a year. He strayed from coach Guy Boucher’s system, and other players followed the leader.

But I think Karlsson will be back to his old form in October, after an off-season to strengthen his ankle and now with the determination to prove that he’s worth what he’ll make on his new contract.

The Senators will suffer without him.

But with Melnyk as the owner, they will continue to be a team that has to operate under a tight budget. Unless there’s a change, Thomas Chabot will likely one day become too rich for their blood, as will Logan Brown and Brady Tkachuk.

They too will be traded away for prospects and promise.

Can they win a Stanley Cup while spinning their wheels this way? No. The Vegas Golden Knights wrote a once-in-a-lifetime story. Absolutely everything came together for them, and they were still no match for the Washington Capitals in the finals.

They wanted to acquire Karlsson to get them over the hump.

Ottawa hockey fans will just need to accept the fact that this is the team they get with Melnyk as the owner. It can be a fun team, an exciting team and even a playoff team.

But it will never be a championship team.

And it will never have a player like Erik Karlsson getting paid what he deserves to get paid.

Author:	Newsbot [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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Title: 'Sad day': Senators captain Erik Karlsson traded to San Jose Sharks Category: Sports Posted By: N_Fiddledog Date: 2018-09-13 14:45:10 Canadian

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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The Ottawa Sun doesn't sound too happy about it: Senators had to trade Erik Karlsson because he's too good

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:53 pm ]
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"Erik Karlsson had to go. He was too good for the Ottawa Senators. At least for an Ottawa Senators team owned by Eugene Melnyk." $1: A different person calling the shots might have taken a different approaching in the handling of the most valuable asset the franchise has ever owned. He could have seen Karlsson as a player that comes along once in a generation and built around him. He may have decided to spend to the ceiling of the salary cap and taken a serious run at the Stanley Cup during Karlsson’s prime years. But Melnyk can not or will not operate this way. He told us during his fool on the hill rant in front of the Parliament buildings seven months ago. He said there and then that he was going to run the team by keeping a “direct relationship” between revenues and players’ salaries, and that “even $68 million” was too much over the Senators revenue base. The most recent post on CapFriendly has the Senators projected with a cap hit of $70,800,833 for the upcoming season, with a slew of players set to become UFA’s in July. Karlsson priced himself out of the Senators budget the moment he said he was going to get what he’s worth upon the expiration of his current contract. If they offered him $10 million a season it was done knowing he wouldn’t take it when Drew Doughty just signed for $11 million a season with the Los Angeles Kings. Karlsson has outscored Doughty by 96 points while playing 143 fewer games, and he also has a 2-1 lead on him in Norris Trophies. No way was he going to accept $1 million a year less. Years ago, Karlsson was unhappy with something I wrote about him. I tried to talk to him about it, but he walked away. When I asked his friend Robin Lehner to pass along some clarification, I was told it was useless. “Erik is very stubborn,” said Lehner. Hence, if he had his mind set on becoming the highest paid defenceman in the NHL, he was going to become the highest paid defenceman in the NHL. And deservingly so, for what he has accomplished to date. The big question is, what kind of player is Karlsson going to be for the next seven or eight years? He didn’t win the Hart, but I still think he was the most valuable player in the league during the 2016-17 season, when he he had 71 points in 77 games and followed it up with 18 points in 19 playoff games. He was outstanding defensively as he was offensively. Karlsson was a different player last season, however. Was it because of the ankle injury? Perhaps. He didn’t have the same explosive jump while pushing off his left foot. The strength wasn’t there for him to win as many D-zone battles. Maybe that’s why he appeared to have less in playing the two-way game. Maybe he was trying to make up for his shortcomings in his own zone by doing more offensively. It didn’t work out. He had 62 points, but his plus-minus dropped by 35 in a year. He strayed from coach Guy Boucher’s system, and other players followed the leader. But I think Karlsson will be back to his old form in October, after an off-season to strengthen his ankle and now with the determination to prove that he’s worth what he’ll make on his new contract. The Senators will suffer without him. But with Melnyk as the owner, they will continue to be a team that has to operate under a tight budget. Unless there’s a change, Thomas Chabot will likely one day become too rich for their blood, as will Logan Brown and Brady Tkachuk. They too will be traded away for prospects and promise. Can they win a Stanley Cup while spinning their wheels this way? No. The Vegas Golden Knights wrote a once-in-a-lifetime story. Absolutely everything came together for them, and they were still no match for the Washington Capitals in the finals. They wanted to acquire Karlsson to get them over the hump. Ottawa hockey fans will just need to accept the fact that this is the team they get with Melnyk as the owner. It can be a fun team, an exciting team and even a playoff team. But it will never be a championship team. And it will never have a player like Erik Karlsson getting paid what he deserves to get paid.

Author:	bootlegga [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:02 pm ]
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I think San Jose got Karlsson for a song, because most of those draft picks won't be worth a damned thing when they finish in the Top 2 or 4 teams over the next couple seasons.

Author:	llama66 [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:03 pm ]
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Best part: They lose their (probable) first overall pick because of the Duchene trade. They should have given up the 4th overall... Ottawa: the worst place to play in the NHL

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Author:	raydan [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:04 pm ]
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This really is a sad day. Just kidding... people who find this sad should get a life.

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:28 pm ]
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llama66 llama66: Best part: They lose their (probable) first overall pick because of the Duchene trade. They should have given up the 4th overall... Ottawa: the worst place to play in the NHL Forgot about that. Ouch. That's gonna hurt. The 2019 draft in Vancouver is going to be a good one and Ottawa Colorado is looking like the favorite in the Jack Hughes sweepstakes right now.

Author:	Coach85 [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:01 pm ]
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Great news for Erik....Ottawa is a terrible place to play, shitty City and a terrible owner. San Jose robbed Ottawa. I'd like to see how many fans stop buying tickets. I don't see the franchise being there in 10 years.

Author:	Thanos [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:13 pm ]
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Ottawa seems truly fucked up, even by the dismal standards of most of the Canadian NHL teams over the last twenty-five years.

Author:	xerxes [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:59 pm ]
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Wasn't it Karlsson's wife who was starting all kinds of drama between all the other WAG's? I can see why they offloaded him in that case; just to silence the discord behind the scenes.

Author:	Thanos [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:21 pm ]
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I think that one turned out to be another since-traded Ottawa player's wife who was harassing Karlsson's wife on Twitter.

Author:	martin14 [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:23 pm ]
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xerxes xerxes: Wasn't it Karlsson's wife who was starting all kinds of drama between all the other WAG's? I can see why they offloaded him in that case; just to silence the discord behind the scenes. It was Mike Hoffman's wife, which is why he was traded. $1: In an application for a peace bond filed May 4 in an Ottawa court, Melinda Karlsson alleges that Monika Caryk posted hundreds of derogatory online messages aimed at her and her husband. Caryk is the longtime partner of Senators forward Mike Hoffman. "Monika Caryk has uttered numerous statements wishing my unborn child dead," Karlsson said in the sworn statement. The Karlssons' first child, a son named Axel, was stillborn in March. The Ottawa Citizen was first to report on the allegations. Karlsson also claimed that Caryk "uttered that she wished I was dead and that someone should 'take out' my husband's legs to 'end his career.' "Monika Caryk has posted over 1,000 negative and derogatory statements about me as a professional." http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/hoc ... story.html

Author:	xerxes [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:24 pm ]
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Right. My bad.

Author:	martin14 [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:28 pm ]
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bootlegga bootlegga: I think San Jose got Karlsson for a song, because most of those draft picks won't be worth a damned thing when they finish in the Top 2 or 4 teams over the next couple seasons. Funny how no one can decide who won the Max trade, but everyone is sure Ottawa just got hosed really bad.

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Author:	raydan [ Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:11 am ]
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Pretty sure Karlsson would not have come back next year... Karlsson knew that and the team knew that. So they had the choice between playing him for one last year and then getting nothing for him, or getting something for him now.