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Okay, I'll take his word for it. :roll:

But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter justice to suit their agenda.

But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native male he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Okay, I'll take his word for it. :roll:

It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here.

As for using the g-word, I'm indifferent, it’s only a word Canada needs actions not words.

But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Okay, I'll take his word for it. :roll:

So you're once again inferring that it's almost exclusively white men who murder native women. Well, at least you're consistent.

Allow me to point out a fact that you seem to have missed. I never said white males haven't killed native women. What I said was that in the name of fairness both native males and white males should be treated the same especially considering that alot of native women are killed by native males.

But that won't wash with you will it? Because a two tiered justice system that singles out perpetrators by race and punishes one while making excuses for the other appears to be your idea of what passes as fair.

As for being a cop, well that time has passed. Although, I was the Base Disciplinarian on a very large Canadian Naval base so, I did alot of investigating of alleged offences before charges were laid and I'd like to think I developed a knack for separating the bullshit from the facts and this whole thing smacks of Trudeau bullshit designed to further separate Natives and Whites.

But I do agree Canada needs action not words and that action must include fairness for everyone. BTW someone might want to explain the term "reconciliation" to the Gov't because their version seems to be more than a little one sided.

Also the 70% indigenous male murderer number you quoted in a previous post appears to be suspicious. Seems that at first the RCMP released data to the public that gave no indication of the perpetrators race and the RCMP even announced that they don’t collect those statistics. But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.maclean ... women/amp/

Seventy per cent of the solved murders of aboriginal women were committed by people of aboriginal descent, RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson says in a letter to Grand Chief Bernice Martial of the Treaty Number 6 Nations.

The letter, dated April 7, was in response to a request from Martial for the RCMP's report on missing and murdered aboriginal women and for access to the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains database.

"The consolidated data from the nearly 300 contributing police agencies has confirmed that 70 per cent of the offenders were of aboriginal origin, 25 per cent were non-aboriginal and five per cent were of unknown ethnicity," wrote Paulson.

He drove home the point that race is not a major consideration in the identification of offenders. For police, the stronger link is family members or spouses.

On top of that, identifying the racial background of criminals is contrary to RCMP philosophy.

"It is in the spirit of our bias-free policing policy that the RCMP has not thus far disclosed statistics on the ethnicity of he perpetrators of solved aboriginal female homicides," Paulson wrote.

Interim president of the NWAC Dawn Harvard is uncomfortable that the RCMP went against its policy of releasing the ethnic background of criminals.

After $92 million and 1,200 pages, the commissioners don’t know who is committing the violence against women — mainly because they didn’t try to find out.

The report says women, girls and 2SLGBTQQIA (two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual) people are being targeted “from all sides” by partners, family members, acquaintances and serial killers, but it does not delve any deeper to qualify or quantify that statement.

The only statistical evidence is provided by a footnote citing a Statistics Canada report that provides partial answers.

That study looked at the proportion of Indigenous Canadians who were victims of eight crimes measured by the General Social Survey. It found overall victimization levels of Indigenous people were higher in 2014 than for non-Indigenous people (28 per cent versus 18 per cent) but that they had fallen 10 percentage points in the preceding five years — raising question marks over the commission’s claim that the problem of violence is getting worse.

https://nationalpost.com/news/john-ivis ... -to-ignore

Violent victimization rates were more than double those experienced by the non-Aboriginal population, and the rate for women was more than double the rate for Aboriginal men. A previous study from 2009 suggested men were the perpetrators in eight in 10 of such incidents in which women were the victims.

In addition, the report suggested Indigenous women were three times as likely than non-Indigenous women to report being a victim of spousal violence.

There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group.

The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion.

Why is that so hard for you folks to understand?

Author:	Newsbot [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Trudeau says deaths and disappearances of Indigenous women a
Title: Trudeau says deaths and disappearances of Indigenous women and girls amount to 'genocide' Category: Political Posted By: N_Fiddledog Date: 2019-06-04 15:59:29 Canadian

Author:	Freakinoldguy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:07 pm ]
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Okay, I'll take his word for it. But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter the course of justice to suit their agenda. But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native males he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men.

Author:	BeaverFever [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:15 pm ]
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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Okay, I'll take his word for it. But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter justice to suit their agenda. But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native male he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men. It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here. As for using the g-word, I'm indifferent, it’s only a word Canada needs actions not words. Also the 70% indigenous male murderer number you quoted in a previous post appears to be suspicious. Seems that at first the RCMP released data to the public that gave no indication of the perpetrators race and the RCMP even announced that they don’t collect those statistics. But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.maclean ... women/amp/

Author:	martin14 [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:39 pm ]
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FNs genocide FNs. The world according to Trudope. Film at 11.

Author:	Freakinoldguy [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:54 pm ]
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BeaverFever BeaverFever: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Okay, I'll take his word for it. But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter justice to suit their agenda. But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native male he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men. It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here. As for using the g-word, I'm indifferent, it’s only a word Canada needs actions not words. So you're once again inferring that it's almost exclusively white men who murder native women. Well, at least you're consistent. Allow me to point out a fact that you seem to have missed. I never said white males haven't killed native women. What I said was that in the name of fairness both native males and white males should be treated the same especially considering that alot of native women are killed by native males. But that won't wash with you will it? Because a two tiered justice system that singles out perpetrators by race and punishes one while making excuses for the other appears to be your idea of what passes as fair. As for being a cop, well that time has passed. Although, I was the Base Disciplinarian on a very large Canadian Naval base so, I did alot of investigating of alleged offences before charges were laid and I'd like to think I developed a knack for separating the bullshit from the facts and this whole thing smacks of Trudeau bullshit designed to further separate Natives and Whites. But I do agree Canada needs action not words and that action must include fairness for everyone. BTW someone might want to explain the term "reconciliation" to the Gov't because their version seems to be more than a little one sided.

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Author:	llama66 [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:32 pm ]
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Genocide is a pretty serious word. I mean we usually associate "genocide" with a concerted effort by a government to eradicate a sub-group. Holodomor=Genocide Armenian Genocide= Genocide Hutu's and Tutsi's= Genocide The Yugoslav Civil War= Genocide The Holocaust= Genocide Missing indigenous women is not a Genocide, unless Trudeau is alleging that the government is responsible. To think it is Genocide is a disservice to the victims of actual genocide. Two tier Justice is not justice, in fact it flies in the face of what fair and equitable society is. $1: But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim. Stupid comment in the JM part, but it is Criminology 101. Most victims know their assailant or are at least comfortable with their assailant. This is political pandering and will only lead further divisions within the confederation.

Author:	Thanos [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:39 pm ]
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Ah well, at least we get the entertainment value out of this smug, stupid, navel-gazing, and ultra-masochistic country of ours smacking itself across it's face again. There's no way that isn't amusing.

Author:	BeaverFever [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:46 pm ]
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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: BeaverFever BeaverFever: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Okay, I'll take his word for it. But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter justice to suit their agenda. But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native male he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men. It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here. As for using the g-word, I'm indifferent, it’s only a word Canada needs actions not words. So you're once again inferring that it's almost exclusively white men who murder native women. Well, at least you're consistent. No, where the fuck have I ever said that? $1: Allow me to point out a fact that you seem to have missed. I never said white males haven't killed native women. What I said was that in the name of fairness both native males and white males should be treated the same especially considering that alot of native women are killed by native males. But that won't wash with you will it? Because a two tiered justice system that singles out perpetrators by race and punishes one while making excuses for the other appears to be your idea of what passes as fair. BULLSHIT You seem to miss that the main point of the MMIW is that police don’t bother to investigate dead Indians properly. Letting guilty perpetrators off easy would be an improvement to the current situation where the cops can’t even be bothered to look for a perp in the first place. And what world are you living in where you think white perps are getting the raw deal and indigenous perpetrators are getting off easy? (White) Serial Killer Robert Pickton killed 49 mostly indigenous women at his farm, police failed to investigate or even properly note the disappearances of those women despite ample opportunity and treated the families reporting the missing victims with open hostility. (White) meth addict accused of killing Tina Fontaine acquitted without even presenting any evidence in his own defence at trial, and despite admitting to it on an undercover police recording which WAS submitted as evidence at trial. (White) trucker who admitted to vaginally fisting an indigenous woman Cindy Gladue to death was acquitted because he said it was consensual, despite the medical examiner stating a blade was used to open the vaginal wound that caused her to bleed to death. The judge and prosecutors repeatedly dehumanized the victim by referring to her as “the native prostitute” 26 times during the trial. $1: As for being a cop, well that time has passed. Although, I was the Base Disciplinarian on a very large Canadian Naval base so, I did alot of investigating of alleged offences before charges were laid and I'd like to think I developed a knack for separating the bullshit from the facts and this whole thing smacks of Trudeau bullshit designed to further separate Natives and Whites. How could they possibly be separated further? $1: But I do agree Canada needs action not words and that action must include fairness for everyone. BTW someone might want to explain the term "reconciliation" to the Gov't because their version seems to be more than a little one sided. How is it one-sided, exactly?

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:50 pm ]
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BeaverFever BeaverFever: Also the 70% indigenous male murderer number you quoted in a previous post appears to be suspicious. Seems that at first the RCMP released data to the public that gave no indication of the perpetrators race and the RCMP even announced that they don’t collect those statistics. But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.maclean ... women/amp/ $1: Seventy per cent of the solved murders of aboriginal women were committed by people of aboriginal descent, RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson says in a letter to Grand Chief Bernice Martial of the Treaty Number 6 Nations. The letter, dated April 7, was in response to a request from Martial for the RCMP's report on missing and murdered aboriginal women and for access to the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains database. "The consolidated data from the nearly 300 contributing police agencies has confirmed that 70 per cent of the offenders were of aboriginal origin, 25 per cent were non-aboriginal and five per cent were of unknown ethnicity," wrote Paulson. He drove home the point that race is not a major consideration in the identification of offenders. For police, the stronger link is family members or spouses. On top of that, identifying the racial background of criminals is contrary to RCMP philosophy. "It is in the spirit of our bias-free policing policy that the RCMP has not thus far disclosed statistics on the ethnicity of he perpetrators of solved aboriginal female homicides," Paulson wrote. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-s ... -1.3028150 So basically, according to top mountie Bob Paulson the RCMP were keeping stats on ethnicity but weren't making them public. Then they did. Supply your own reason why. Natives both question that the stats are real and are mad that they were released, suggesting they should have been kept private. $1: Interim president of the NWAC Dawn Harvard is uncomfortable that the RCMP went against its policy of releasing the ethnic background of criminals. Remember a few months back when we were being quoted as fact that the RCMP had registered the Proud Boys as a terrorist organization. Later this turned out to be false but I'll bet there are some among the gullible who still think of this as an authentified fact. There's no doubt if the FBI hadn't later denied it, it would be stated by the same type who want to consider the 70% stat as questionable as a statistical fact. In Progworld there are questionable stats and stats that say what they would like them to say.

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trudeau says deaths and disappearances of Indigenous women a
And here's a different analysis of Junior's "genocide" report. $1: After $92 million and 1,200 pages, the commissioners don’t know who is committing the violence against women — mainly because they didn’t try to find out. The report says women, girls and 2SLGBTQQIA (two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual) people are being targeted “from all sides” by partners, family members, acquaintances and serial killers, but it does not delve any deeper to qualify or quantify that statement. The only statistical evidence is provided by a footnote citing a Statistics Canada report that provides partial answers. That study looked at the proportion of Indigenous Canadians who were victims of eight crimes measured by the General Social Survey. It found overall victimization levels of Indigenous people were higher in 2014 than for non-Indigenous people (28 per cent versus 18 per cent) but that they had fallen 10 percentage points in the preceding five years — raising question marks over the commission’s claim that the problem of violence is getting worse. https://nationalpost.com/news/john-ivis ... -to-ignore Violent victimization rates were more than double those experienced by the non-Aboriginal population, and the rate for women was more than double the rate for Aboriginal men. A previous study from 2009 suggested men were the perpetrators in eight in 10 of such incidents in which women were the victims. In addition, the report suggested Indigenous women were three times as likely than non-Indigenous women to report being a victim of spousal violence.

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trudeau says deaths and disappearances of Indigenous women a
Also, in the CBC article it says a 2004 report showed 1200 indigenous women had gone missing or been murdered in 32 years. So about 37 woman a year missing or murdered. That's bad. But it isn't genocide, Junior. (And you'd only be be able to blame Whitey for 7 of them.)

Author:	PublicAnimalNo9 [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:18 am ]
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There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group. The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion.

Author:	BRAH [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:24 am ]
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Election Time!

Author:	BeaverFever [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trudeau says deaths and disappearances of Indigenous women a
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group. The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion. As already said you people REPEATEDLY, MMIW is not about what race the killer is, it’s about police refusing to properly investigate MMIW cases. Why is that so hard for you folks to understand?

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Author:	martin14 [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:54 am ]
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BeaverFever BeaverFever: Why is that so hard for you folks to understand? Mod Edit