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Author:  BeaverFever [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:19 pm ]
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As FOG and Thanos have been told REPEATEDLY the “stacking juries with FN” claim is 100% FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT. It’s COMPLETELY FALSE.

Why do you continue to post that OUTRIGHT LIE? Do you lie deliberately because it’s more convenient than arguing the truth? Or does your ideology prevent you from remembering the truth long-term and the lie re-installs itself in your brain as a fake fact?

I’m genuinely curious.

Author:  BRAH [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:19 pm ]
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Thanos wrote:
This is a pointless thread because it's only going to have the ultra-liberal definition of genocide allowed. And, just like "fascism" actually means nothing anymore thanks to liberals aiming it at everyone from dopey libertarians thru to actual Nazis, "genocide" won't mean anything anymore either. Asked the band councils for fiscal accountability of the tax dollars they're given? You won't stack trial juries with Native jurors only in order to ensure a pro-Native outcome at trials? Hey whitey, why are you committing a genocide?!?!? :roll:

In Canada the Left uses censorship, gender identity politics and violence to push their narrative.

Author:  llama66 [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:23 pm ]
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And why do you hold on to the thought of all Canadian's are responsible for the plight of the indigenous people?

And really the MMIW findings lay out a splendid case for ending the IA and making the indigenous community a part of the Canadian community. You want these murders to to stop? lets stop segregating the indigenous folks from the rest of us.

Author:  N_Fiddledog [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:27 pm ]
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BeaverFever wrote:
Thanos wrote:
Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.


Then the Genocide ended in the 1990s. Fine. Doesn’t mean the government of Canada has no responsibility


What genocide? Give us numbers. Define genocide.

There are no numbers and there is no definition that would qualify anything that happened as "genocide."

But if you're going to insist on joining your fearless leader in talking nonsense, tell us then - Genocide against whom by whom?

Nut up and admit what you two are actually implying. The obvious implication is the old critical race theory, cultural Marxist saw that the white colonial patriarchy is or has committed genocide on what they're calling indigenous peoples this week.

You and Junior can't actually say "Get Whitey" out loud though because if you do it will quickly be revealed as too dumb to be taken seriously.

Author:  herbie [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:54 pm ]
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Speaking of nutting up, how's about you do it and admit that your immediate response to any native issue is it's a "get whitey" plot, that you're racist to the core.
Just as others with their Trudeau derangement claiming that as he okayed the commission, he's responsible for it's conclusion is typical child-like conservative "he who smelled it, dealt it" logic.

Genocide's a rather strong term, but the RCMP is the hand of the gov't and I;m not ignorant enough to claim they're going to treat a case of a missing native woman any better today than they did yesterday.

Author:  Thanos [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:02 pm ]
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BeaverFever wrote:
As FOG and Thanos have been told REPEATEDLY the “stacking juries with FN” claim is 100% FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT. It’s COMPLETELY FALSE.

Why do you continue to post that OUTRIGHT LIE? Do you lie deliberately because it’s more convenient than arguing the truth? Or does your ideology prevent you from remembering the truth long-term and the lie re-installs itself in your brain as a fake fact?

I’m genuinely curious.


The current PM who you absolutely worship and adore flipped out at the verdict in the Gerald Stanley trial and demanded that the entire justice system be turned on it's head to provide verdicts that are pro-Native ONLY. Fair trials with verdicts based on actual provable evidence mean nothing to you anymore. Only racial preferences do.

You liberals just as much of a bunch of bigots as the right-wing extremists are. And you are absolutely 100% obsessed with race and race-based outcomes, exactly the same way they are.

Author:  N_Fiddledog [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:51 pm ]
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herbie wrote:
Speaking of nutting up, how's about you do it and admit that your immediate response to any native issue is it's a "get whitey" plot, that you're racist to the core.


No problem. How's this? Bullshit.

You're turn. Is this genocide? By what definition? Who specifically is trying to kill off whom and why?

Or is nothing like that happening? Because if that's what you're saying, strap on your ball-sac and say it rather than leave the possibility dangling that you or yours have a point in suggesting some group in Canada is committing genocide against some other group or groups in Canada.

And cut the crap. If you're saying there's a genocide going on you're saying evil white colonials are committing genocide against native Indians. You're blaming whitey. And if that wasn't relevant in this particular instance it wouldn't be brought up.

Also once you figure out what your thought leaders have got you doing try looking in the mirror.

Author:  BeaverFever [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:37 pm ]
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BRAH wrote:
Thanos wrote:
This is a pointless thread because it's only going to have the ultra-liberal definition of genocide allowed. And, just like "fascism" actually means nothing anymore thanks to liberals aiming it at everyone from dopey libertarians thru to actual Nazis, "genocide" won't mean anything anymore either. Asked the band councils for fiscal accountability of the tax dollars they're given? You won't stack trial juries with Native jurors only in order to ensure a pro-Native outcome at trials? Hey whitey, why are you committing a genocide?!?!? :roll:

In Canada the Left uses censorship, gender identity politics and violence to push their narrative.


In Canada the Right uses censorship, genders identity politics and violence to push their warfare.

Author:  Freakinoldguy [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:40 pm ]
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BeaverFever wrote:
As FOG and Thanos have been told REPEATEDLY the “stacking juries with FN” claim is 100% FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT. It’s COMPLETELY FALSE.

Why do you continue to post that OUTRIGHT LIE? Do you lie deliberately because it’s more convenient than arguing the truth? Or does your ideology prevent you from remembering the truth long-term and the lie re-installs itself in your brain as a fake fact?

I’m genuinely curious.


I may have misspoken by using the term indigenous juries but the implication of tampering was there.

No jury should be based on race and since we don't have the "jury of our peers" written in our constitutions what the gov't did is fraught with potential abuses. Should natives have been excluded from the Gerald Stanley trial based on race? No, and for the record there is no proof they were. But, if they shouldn't be excluded because of race there is no justification to have them included because of race either and that's the point I was making.

So we'll have to wait till the next Gerald Stanley type trial to see whether the stopping of juror challenges and jury selection based on race illicit's what the gov't seems to want and that's a specific verdict in favour of the native.

But back on topic. Here's the RCMP report on missing and or murdered indigenous women and guess what their findings were and to give a hint they pretty much mirrored the Brooking institute one.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/missing-an ... rview#sec3

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Author:  N_Fiddledog [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:43 pm ]
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BeaverFever wrote:
BRAH wrote:
Thanos wrote:
This is a pointless thread because it's only going to have the ultra-liberal definition of genocide allowed. And, just like "fascism" actually means nothing anymore thanks to liberals aiming it at everyone from dopey libertarians thru to actual Nazis, "genocide" won't mean anything anymore either. Asked the band councils for fiscal accountability of the tax dollars they're given? You won't stack trial juries with Native jurors only in order to ensure a pro-Native outcome at trials? Hey whitey, why are you committing a genocide?!?!? :roll:

In Canada the Left uses censorship, gender identity politics and violence to push their narrative.


In Canada the Right uses censorship, genders identity politics and violence to push their warfare.


More meaningless terms, in that the rest of us are supposed to try to guess what Progressive-Regressives are having them mean in their own heads this week.

What's Genocide, supposed to be this week, Bud? Let's start there.

Author:  herbie [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:01 pm ]
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N_Fiddledog wrote:
herbie wrote:
Speaking of nutting up, how's about you do it and admit that your immediate response to any native issue is it's a "get whitey" plot, that you're racist to the core.


No problem. How's this? Bullshit.

You're turn. Is this genocide? By what definition? Who specifically is trying to kill off whom and why?

Or is nothing like that happening? Because if that's what you're saying, strap on your ball-sac and say it rather than leave the possibility dangling that you or yours have a point in suggesting some group in Canada is committing genocide against some other group or groups in Canada.

And cut the crap. If you're saying there's a genocide going on you're saying evil white colonials are committing genocide against native Indians. You're blaming whitey. And if that wasn't relevant in this particular instance it wouldn't be brought up.

Also once you figure out what your thought leaders have got you doing try looking in the mirror.

Holy fuck you get into even more of a racist rant trying to claim you aren't making racist rants. And descending even more into the childish "no you are the racist!" attempt at an argument.
A public enquiry concluded genocide. Not Trudeau. He merely stated (reluctantly) their conclusion.

Author:  FieryVulpine [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:46 pm ]
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herbie wrote:
Speaking of nutting up, how's about you do it and admit that your immediate response to any native issue is it's a "get whitey" plot, that you're racist to the core.

herbie wrote:
Holy fuck you get into even more of a racist rant trying to claim you aren't making racist rants. And descending even more into the childish "no you are the racist!" attempt at an argument.

This is utterly hilarious and further reinforces why I see far-left loons like you and Beave as unhinged psychotics that lost contact with reality long ago. The meaning of the word of the word "racist" has became so watered down that it applies to people who refuse to believe in your own political orthodoxy and nothing more. Go ahead, call me racist because all I get from any (pointless) conversation with you is that you do not have any valid arguments and whose worldview should be dismissed because it has nothing to offer except mind-numbing stupidity and ignorance.

What I find even more revealing is that you don't even care for this country's FNs except as tools to score political points. Your ilk are more than willing to use them as living props and then discard them just as easily, and not even care if the water they drink in contaminated with lead or mercury. It really does show how ghoulish the left has became with their fake compassion.

Author:  BeaverFever [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:10 pm ]
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llama66 wrote:
And why do you hold on to the thought of all Canadian's are responsible for the plight of the indigenous people?


FFS the Canadian government is responsible for the plight of the Canadian people, that’s the whole fucking point of having a fucking government. And Indigenous people are Canadian people apparently that needs to be said. Add to the fact that the Canadian government was the perpetrator behind the plight of said people, its doubly responsible.

Quote:
And really the MMIW findings lay out a splendid case for ending the IA and making the indigenous community a part of the Canadian community. You want these murders to to stop? lets stop segregating the indigenous folks from the rest of us.


The FN people have been demanding an end to the Indian Act for generations. The IA was a tool created by the colonial government of the time to control FN people. You keep talking about it as if it’s something the FN support. That said, just like any other race of people on the planet, so long as they are disproportionately poor and marginalized, a disproportionate number of them will live high-risk lifestyles and suffer from social diseases like drug abuse, alcoholism, etc. Fontaine, Gladue and the 49 Picton victims all met their fate in major Canadian urban areas, not some remote Reserve. .

The Canadian government is responsible

Author:  BeaverFever [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:15 pm ]
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Thanos wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
As FOG and Thanos have been told REPEATEDLY the “stacking juries with FN” claim is 100% FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT. It’s COMPLETELY FALSE.

Why do you continue to post that OUTRIGHT LIE? Do you lie deliberately because it’s more convenient than arguing the truth? Or does your ideology prevent you from remembering the truth long-term and the lie re-installs itself in your brain as a fake fact?

I’m genuinely curious.


The current PM who you absolutely worship and adore flipped out at the verdict in the Gerald Stanley trial and demanded that the entire justice system be turned on it's head to provide verdicts that are pro-Native ONLY.
.

^ THATS ANOTHER LIE AND YOU KNOW IT. Why are you not capable of telling like it is instead of “interpreting “ it into something it’s not? You’re better than that.

Why don’t you try again, this time try using what was ACTUALLY SAID instead if of what you want people to believe was said but actually wasn’t. Are you capable of that?

Author:  BeaverFever [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:52 pm ]
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N_Fiddledog wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Thanos wrote:
Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.


Then the Genocide ended in the 1990s. Fine. Doesn’t mean the government of Canada has no responsibility


What genocide? Give us numbers. Define genocide.

There are no numbers and there is no definition that would qualify anything that happened as "genocide."

But if you're going to insist on joining your fearless leader in talking nonsense, tell us then - Genocide against whom by whom?

Nut up and admit what you two are actually implying. The obvious implication is the old critical race theory, cultural Marxist saw that the white colonial patriarchy is or has committed genocide on what they're calling indigenous peoples this week.

You and Junior can't actually say "Get Whitey" out loud though because if you do it will quickly be revealed as too dumb to be taken seriously.


So you think genocide is numbers-based or something? 150,000 kids abducted, thousands of kids died in those schools, some schools had mortality rates of up to 60%, many kids were buried in unmarked graves with no records kept and their families never told of what happened to them. Thousands and thousands more physically and sexually abused.


Genocide is defined in Articles II and III of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide in 1948. According to Article II, the two main elements of genocide are the ‘mental’ and the ‘physical’. The mental element considers the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.”

Residential schools were meant to “kill the Indian in the child” and strip them of their ethnic, racial and religious identity.

The physical element is itemized into five parts: killing members of the aforementioned group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to group members of the aforementioned group; “deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”; “imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group”; and, “forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

All 5 were in use prior to the 20th century and then shortly into the 1900’s we stopped overtly killing and causing bodily harm but we continue to impose poor living conditions to this day , and for several decades in the 20th century we prevented births (forced sterilization programs) and of course the residential schools and the “60’s Scoop” which lasted into the 90s and 80s respectively were forcible transfers of children.

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