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But I get it. You're telling us that according to a definition of genocide put forward by some United Nation human rights commission you believe Canada was guilty of genocide as a result of residential school policies some time ago.

Very well...but did you forget we're talking about the current issue of missing or murdered indigenous women? That one's a problem but it's not even genocide by the made up Mickey Mouse UN HR definition you offered up.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group.

The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion.

As already said you people REPEATEDLY, MMIW is not about what race the killer is, it’s about police refusing to properly investigate MMIW cases. Why is that so hard for you folks to understand?

If you have no problem when a Canadian PM flips out and condemns the results of a trial then get ready to keep your mouth shut about Trump when he does the same, which he eventually will if he hasn't done it already.

FFS the Canadian government is responsible for the plight of the Canadian people, that’s the whole fucking point of having a fucking government.

The FN people have been demanding an end to the Indian Act for generations. The IA was a tool created by the colonial government of the time to control FN people. You keep talking about it as if it’s something the FN support. That said, just like any other race of people on the planet, so long as they are disproportionately poor and marginalized, a disproportionate number of them will live high-risk lifestyles and suffer from social diseases like drug abuse, alcoholism, etc.

In Canada the Right uses censorship, genders identity politics and violence to push their warfare.

hmmmmm... this looks suspiciously suspicious. I don't have the time to tear this bit of bullshit apart.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Okay, I'll take his word for it. :roll:

But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter justice to suit their agenda.

But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native male he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men.

It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here.

As for using the g-word, I'm indifferent, it’s only a word Canada needs actions not words.

So you're once again inferring that it's almost exclusively white men who murder native women. Well, at least you're consistent.

Allow me to point out a fact that you seem to have missed. I never said white males haven't killed native women. What I said was that in the name of fairness both native males and white males should be treated the same especially considering that alot of native women are killed by native males.

But that won't wash with you will it? Because a two tiered justice system that singles out perpetrators by race and punishes one while making excuses for the other appears to be your idea of what passes as fair.

As for being a cop, well that time has passed. Although, I was the Base Disciplinarian on a very large Canadian Naval base so, I did alot of investigating of alleged offences before charges were laid and I'd like to think I developed a knack for separating the bullshit from the facts and this whole thing smacks of Trudeau bullshit designed to further separate Natives and Whites.

But I do agree Canada needs action not words and that action must include fairness for everyone. BTW someone might want to explain the term "reconciliation" to the Gov't because their version seems to be more than a little one sided.

Genocide is a pretty serious word. I mean we usually associate "genocide" with a concerted effort by a government to eradicate a sub-group.
Holodomor=Genocide
Armenian Genocide= Genocide
Hutu's and Tutsi's= Genocide
The Yugoslav Civil War= Genocide
The Holocaust= Genocide

Missing indigenous women is not a Genocide, unless Trudeau is alleging that the government is responsible. To think it is Genocide is a disservice to the victims of actual genocide.

Two tier Justice is not justice, in fact it flies in the face of what fair and equitable society is.

$1:

But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim.

Stupid comment in the JM part, but it is Criminology 101. Most victims know their assailant or are at least comfortable with their assailant.

This is political pandering and will only lead further divisions within the confederation.

Also, in the CBC article it says a 2004 report showed 1200 indigenous women had gone missing or been murdered in 32 years.

So about 37 woman a year missing or murdered. That's bad.

But it isn't genocide, Junior.

(And you'd only be be able to blame Whitey for 7 of them.)

$1:

It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here.

Yet when a study is posted you instantly ignore IT's main point and focus in on the police

$1:

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group.

The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion.

As already said you people REPEATEDLY, MMIW is not about what race the killer is, it’s about police refusing to properly investigate MMIW cases. Why is that so hard for you folks to understand?

So you Beaver wish the police, rightfully so, to do a better and more efficient job. At the same time you seem to just want to disregard the fact that in most cases of murder the perpetrator is Known to the victim and is most often of the same race. So Freakingoldguys assertions that the police need to investigate FN persons for the MMIV FN's woman holds a lot of weight. You instantly degraded him and his post. We all know you dislike any Conservative and or politically right thoughts and suggestions. Yet by the utter dismissal of of a very valid point you make it less likely that anyone will take your statements with in validity. Just my .02 cents of a thought on this matter.

God, our so-called leadership is a bunch of fucking morons. I swear to god, Trudeau is so stupid he'd die of suffocation if breathing wasn't automatic.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

How could they possibly be separated further?

How is it one-sided, exactly?

Okay here we go then.

We have a blatant attempt to subvert the Canadian justice system by creating indigenous juries. This gov't picks and chooses which native anti infrastructure policies to listen to based on it's anti oil agenda a fact which pits not only Canadians against natives but natives against natives.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... eau-treaty

Then we have two sets of sentencing guidelines, one for natives and one for the rest of us. Trudeau has also apologized for every historical fact that the natives felt slighted about, whether they were historically accurate or not while completely ignoring groups like the Doukhobours who had their children physically removed from their homes and sent to "white" residential schools.

And then we have the term reconciliation which is supposed to bring two sides together through friendship and harmony. Well that's pretty tough to do when you have one side being catered to because of one mans self induced liberal guilt while the other side is told to shut up sit and watch him assuage his own guilt with our tax dollars.

And now, with his latest outrageous statement about missing and murdered indigenous women he's basically said that the RCMP lie, and Canadians are conducting a systemic genocide against Natives. If that isn't inflammatory and divisive I don't know what is? Although it does play well to the natives and his fan base.

He's also claiming that the white race is conducting these acts of violence while he and his cabal are completely ignoring the fact that alot of the acts of abuse and murder are being committed by the same people they claim to be victims of his self proclaimed genocide.

BTW I wouldn't bring up Robert Picton and start spouting the natives line about all the missing women being native sex workers because that's never been proven nor has the claim that he killed 49 women. Because so far that's only his jailhouse bragging and has never been proven either. So, let's keep it to the 26 women the sick fuck murdered because using unproven numbers just clouds the truth.

$1:

In Canada, most solved murders of Indigenous women were committed by the spouse or family members.[16][17] In Canada, according to activists "thousands of cases" of missing and murdered Indigenous women over the last half-century were not properly investigated due to alleged police bias.[18] The 49 women murdered by serial killer Robert Pickton, who was eventually jailed in 2007, are cited as an example; with families claiming that Pickton was able to go on killing for so long because police had not taken the disappearances seriously because most of the women were sex workers and Indigenous

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_a ... nous_women

But, it's quite apparent that you're missing my point completely. I'm saying that the gov't is, through it's outlandish words and actions attempting to deflect from the fact that it isn't just white men who are killing and abusing these women it's also native men.
So, if this line of thinking continues when it comes to investigating the deaths it's going to be a very one sided affair.

This is a pointless thread because it's only going to have the ultra-liberal definition of genocide allowed. And, just like "fascism" actually means nothing anymore thanks to liberals aiming it at everyone from dopey libertarians thru to actual Nazis, "genocide" won't mean anything anymore either. Asked the band councils for fiscal accountability of the tax dollars they're given? You won't stack trial juries with Native jurors only in order to ensure a pro-Native outcome at trials? Hey whitey, why are you committing a genocide?!?!? :roll:

Author:	Thanos [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:11 pm ]
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If you have no problem when a Canadian PM flips out and condemns the results of a trial then get ready to keep your mouth shut about Trump when he does the same, which he eventually will if he hasn't done it already.

Author:	N_Fiddledog [ Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:59 pm ]
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BeaverFever BeaverFever: [Lots of Blather]. But I get it. You're telling us that according to a definition of genocide put forward by some United Nation human rights commission you believe Canada was guilty of genocide as a result of residential school policies some time ago. Very well...but did you forget we're talking about the current issue of missing or murdered indigenous women? That one's a problem but it's not even genocide by the made up Mickey Mouse UN HR definition you offered up. Liberal General Romeo Dallaire who was serving with the UN forces in RWanda when there was an actual, for real Genocide - half to a full million killed, I think - denounced Justin Trudeau's use of the word genocide to describe the missing women problem. Ezra Levant goes into it below - how this bogus use of the word "genocide" marginalizes actual genocides like Rwanda, or the Holodomor, or the Holocaust or the Armenian genocide or and on it goes. He also found the charts and stats put out by the RCMP. Here's one I bet you didn't know. According to one RCMP report they were solving 88% of murdered aboriginal woman and 89% of non-aboriginal. That's just a difference of 1%. That might be statistically insignificant. Is that genocide? He's got a bunch of facts like that charted out:

Author:	BeaverFever [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:28 am ]
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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: But I get it. You're telling us that according to a definition of genocide put forward by some United Nation human rights commission you believe Canada was guilty of genocide as a result of residential school policies some time ago. Sure let’s say the Genocide ended in 1996 which is when the last government sex abuse factory closed We’re still dealing with the fallout of that it’s only been 20 years. People like you are like “ we stopped systematically abducting and raping their kids 20 years ago why are they still complaining ? Also you expect them to live normal productive lives as if it never happened. Come on. $1: Very well...but did you forget we're talking about the current issue of missing or murdered indigenous women? That one's a problem but it's not even genocide by the made up Mickey Mouse UN HR definition you offered up. So who is the correct authority to define Genocide if the UN HR is “made up Mickey mouse”? Any clue? Seems to me they would be the ultimate. And here’s a reading comprehension test for you, I never said MMIW was bu itself Genocide. Go back and read my first post in this thread. But it would be tough to argue that no Genocide ever happened. We once did massacre indians like the tutsis were massacred in rwanda, then we evolved to other softer forms of persecution like forced starvation, forced relocations, residential schools, forced adoptions, forced sterilization, These things didn’t happen in isolation of each other its all on a continuum. Dallaire didn’t “denounce “ the term he just said he didn’t agree with its use here. What he denounced was Canada’s historical treatment of FN, which he said was “scandalous and that is unacceptable in a country that has a Charter and believes that all humans are human”. $1: Ezra Levant is a discredited blowhard propagandist and proven liar. He defends himself in the endless number of lawsuits filed against him by testifying that he’s not a journalist and therefore not obligated to tell the truth. The numbers are misleading because that’s not the solve rate for missing women or women with suspicious deaths, only for “murdered” women, so it only includes cases where the police agreed there’s been a murder, not situations where they didn’t bother opening any investigation at all or where they’ve classified the death as misadventure , such as Nadine Machiskinic, a 29-year-old mother of four whose body was found in a hotel garbage chute under suspicious circumstances but has not been labeled a homicide.

Author:	PublicAnimalNo9 [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:47 am ]
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BeaverFever BeaverFever: PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group. The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion. As already said you people REPEATEDLY, MMIW is not about what race the killer is, it’s about police refusing to properly investigate MMIW cases. Why is that so hard for you folks to understand? Bullshit. The RCMP said that the majority of cases — 81 per cent in the past two years — continue to be solved at a rate comparable to that for cases involving non-aboriginal women, which was at 83 per cent over the same time period. So what you and the report are inferring is that the 17% of the unsolved cases involving non-Aboriginal women, the cops still worked diligently to try and find the killer, but the 19% of unsolved cases involving Aboriginal women is simply the cops refusing to investigate properly. That about sum up the bullshit narrative there sport?

Author:	BeaverFever [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:54 am ]
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Thanos Thanos: If you have no problem when a Canadian PM flips out and condemns the results of a trial then get ready to keep your mouth shut about Trump when he does the same, which he eventually will if he hasn't done it already. Can you show me the exact quote where he condemned the results of the trial? I want an exact quote please not your translated interpretation of it.

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Author:	llama66 [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:59 am ]
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$1: FFS the Canadian government is responsible for the plight of the Canadian people, that’s the whole fucking point of having a fucking government. That's not the point of government. At all. $1: The FN people have been demanding an end to the Indian Act for generations. The IA was a tool created by the colonial government of the time to control FN people. You keep talking about it as if it’s something the FN support. That said, just like any other race of people on the planet, so long as they are disproportionately poor and marginalized, a disproportionate number of them will live high-risk lifestyles and suffer from social diseases like drug abuse, alcoholism, etc. The government is not responsible for what choices a citizen makes. This is not the Soviet Union... we are all responsible for our own decisions. They have the opportunity to go to post secondary and have careers and a life, yet some choose to live a high risk life. This is the duality of life in a free society. We have the right to succeed, and we have the right to fail.

Author:	llama66 [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:02 am ]
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$1: In Canada the Right uses censorship, genders identity politics and violence to push their warfare. hmmmmm... this looks suspiciously suspicious. I don't have the time to tear this bit of bullshit apart.

Author:	FieryVulpine [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:18 am ]
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llama66 llama66: hmmmmm... this looks suspiciously suspicious. I don't have the time to tear this bit of bullshit apart. There is no need to. It is simple psychological projection.

Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:29 am ]
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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: BeaverFever BeaverFever: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Okay, I'll take his word for it. But, in fairness he'd better start going after all the perpetrators including the ones who just happen to be natives because to do otherwise would be nothing less than another attempt by him and his office to alter justice to suit their agenda. But, my guess instead of going after the perp's who happen to be native male he and his acolytes will find a way to put this whole thing on White Canadian Men. It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here. As for using the g-word, I'm indifferent, it’s only a word Canada needs actions not words. So you're once again inferring that it's almost exclusively white men who murder native women. Well, at least you're consistent. Allow me to point out a fact that you seem to have missed. I never said white males haven't killed native women. What I said was that in the name of fairness both native males and white males should be treated the same especially considering that alot of native women are killed by native males. But that won't wash with you will it? Because a two tiered justice system that singles out perpetrators by race and punishes one while making excuses for the other appears to be your idea of what passes as fair. As for being a cop, well that time has passed. Although, I was the Base Disciplinarian on a very large Canadian Naval base so, I did alot of investigating of alleged offences before charges were laid and I'd like to think I developed a knack for separating the bullshit from the facts and this whole thing smacks of Trudeau bullshit designed to further separate Natives and Whites. But I do agree Canada needs action not words and that action must include fairness for everyone. BTW someone might want to explain the term "reconciliation" to the Gov't because their version seems to be more than a little one sided. Agreed in full, Freakin'. Well put.

Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:30 am ]
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llama66 llama66: Genocide is a pretty serious word. I mean we usually associate "genocide" with a concerted effort by a government to eradicate a sub-group. Holodomor=Genocide Armenian Genocide= Genocide Hutu's and Tutsi's= Genocide The Yugoslav Civil War= Genocide The Holocaust= Genocide Missing indigenous women is not a Genocide, unless Trudeau is alleging that the government is responsible. To think it is Genocide is a disservice to the victims of actual genocide. Two tier Justice is not justice, in fact it flies in the face of what fair and equitable society is. $1: But then the conservative Justice minister at the time stated publicly without offering any evidence that 70% of indigenous women killers were indigenous men and started the controversy. Eventually the head of the RCMP wrote a letter publicly saying his boss was correct but to this day no stats or evidence have been released to validate that claim. Stupid comment in the JM part, but it is Criminology 101. Most victims know their assailant or are at least comfortable with their assailant. This is political pandering and will only lead further divisions within the confederation. Exactly right, llama66

Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:31 am ]
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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: Also, in the CBC article it says a 2004 report showed 1200 indigenous women had gone missing or been murdered in 32 years. So about 37 woman a year missing or murdered. That's bad. But it isn't genocide, Junior. (And you'd only be be able to blame Whitey for 7 of them.)

Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:33 am ]
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stratos stratos: $1: It’s amazing that you know who’s responsible for crimes that are unsolved. You should be working in law enforcement, they clearly need your help here. Yet when a study is posted you instantly ignore IT's main point and focus in on the police $1: PublicAnimalNo9 wrote: There was an interesting independent study on this very subject a few years back done by a woman. It seems that across all racial groups in Canada, women are murdered predominantly by men of their own racial group. The only reason the MMIW is still being kept alive is because leftists and certain Native groups don't like the obvious conclusion. As already said you people REPEATEDLY, MMIW is not about what race the killer is, it’s about police refusing to properly investigate MMIW cases. Why is that so hard for you folks to understand? So you Beaver wish the police, rightfully so, to do a better and more efficient job. At the same time you seem to just want to disregard the fact that in most cases of murder the perpetrator is Known to the victim and is most often of the same race. So Freakingoldguys assertions that the police need to investigate FN persons for the MMIV FN's woman holds a lot of weight. You instantly degraded him and his post. We all know you dislike any Conservative and or politically right thoughts and suggestions. Yet by the utter dismissal of of a very valid point you make it less likely that anyone will take your statements with in validity. Just my .02 cents of a thought on this matter.

Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:35 am ]
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llama66 llama66: God, our so-called leadership is a bunch of fucking morons. I swear to god, Trudeau is so stupid he'd die of suffocation if breathing wasn't automatic. True that. LOL

Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:38 am ]
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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: BeaverFever BeaverFever: How could they possibly be separated further? How is it one-sided, exactly? Okay here we go then. We have a blatant attempt to subvert the Canadian justice system by creating indigenous juries. This gov't picks and chooses which native anti infrastructure policies to listen to based on it's anti oil agenda a fact which pits not only Canadians against natives but natives against natives. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... eau-treaty Then we have two sets of sentencing guidelines, one for natives and one for the rest of us. Trudeau has also apologized for every historical fact that the natives felt slighted about, whether they were historically accurate or not while completely ignoring groups like the Doukhobours who had their children physically removed from their homes and sent to "white" residential schools. And then we have the term reconciliation which is supposed to bring two sides together through friendship and harmony. Well that's pretty tough to do when you have one side being catered to because of one mans self induced liberal guilt while the other side is told to shut up sit and watch him assuage his own guilt with our tax dollars. And now, with his latest outrageous statement about missing and murdered indigenous women he's basically said that the RCMP lie, and Canadians are conducting a systemic genocide against Natives. If that isn't inflammatory and divisive I don't know what is? Although it does play well to the natives and his fan base. He's also claiming that the white race is conducting these acts of violence while he and his cabal are completely ignoring the fact that alot of the acts of abuse and murder are being committed by the same people they claim to be victims of his self proclaimed genocide. BTW I wouldn't bring up Robert Picton and start spouting the natives line about all the missing women being native sex workers because that's never been proven nor has the claim that he killed 49 women. Because so far that's only his jailhouse bragging and has never been proven either. So, let's keep it to the 26 women the sick fuck murdered because using unproven numbers just clouds the truth. $1: In Canada, most solved murders of Indigenous women were committed by the spouse or family members.[16][17] In Canada, according to activists "thousands of cases" of missing and murdered Indigenous women over the last half-century were not properly investigated due to alleged police bias.[18] The 49 women murdered by serial killer Robert Pickton, who was eventually jailed in 2007, are cited as an example; with families claiming that Pickton was able to go on killing for so long because police had not taken the disappearances seriously because most of the women were sex workers and Indigenous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_a ... nous_women But, it's quite apparent that you're missing my point completely. I'm saying that the gov't is, through it's outlandish words and actions attempting to deflect from the fact that it isn't just white men who are killing and abusing these women it's also native men. So, if this line of thinking continues when it comes to investigating the deaths it's going to be a very one sided affair. Thank you for bringing some facts to the discussion, Freakin'

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Author:	Mowich [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:40 am ]
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Thanos Thanos: This is a pointless thread because it's only going to have the ultra-liberal definition of genocide allowed. And, just like "fascism" actually means nothing anymore thanks to liberals aiming it at everyone from dopey libertarians thru to actual Nazis, "genocide" won't mean anything anymore either. Asked the band councils for fiscal accountability of the tax dollars they're given? You won't stack trial juries with Native jurors only in order to ensure a pro-Native outcome at trials? Hey whitey, why are you committing a genocide?!?!?