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Author:  llama66 [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:58 pm ]
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Saskanna Saskanna:
llama66 llama66:
God, our so-called leadership is a bunch of fucking morons. I swear to god, Trudeau is so stupid he'd die of suffocation if breathing wasn't automatic.



Yes, and if re-elected this country is in serious trouble. There is nothing so dangerous as a stupid leader who thinks he's wise and wonderful.

I suspect it would spell the end of confederation. Really, we've never been more divided.
Author:  BeaverFever [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:03 am ]
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llama66 llama66:
So then the Government is responsible for my idiot decisions? No. I fucking am.


To repeat myself: Lastly for you to suggest that systematically abused children raised in squalor who then grow up to lead troubled lives are simply individuals who made bad choices and have nobody to blame but themselves...,well that is ridiculous and shockingly ignorant.

$1:
The government provides emergency services, my fucking insurance (that I pay for) gets me back on my feet.
Not always, disaster victims often get government assistance also. Also if the government was the one who caused the disaster damn right you’d be expecting government to compensate you.

$1:
Government's role is to provide National defence, promote international trade and ensure we don't all kill each other. That's it. Full stop.


So are you completely unaware that government provides you with clean water, sewer, garbage disposal, schools, hospitals, public transit, libraries, community centres, subsidized daycares and summer camps, public parks, social assistance, mail delivery, food safety inspection, etc etc? The list goes on and on. Most of the funding for those comes down to municipalities from provincial tax revenue.

Who pays for the cleanup of oil spills? GOVERNMENT Who paid to clean up the Sydney tar pond? GOVERNMENT. Who paid to clean up the industrial mercury leakage that’s been poisoning almost 100% of the residents Grassy Narrows reserve for 50 years and counting? Trick question it still hasn’t been cleaned up.
Author:  llama66 [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:33 am ]
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$1:
To repeat myself: Lastly for you to suggest that systematically abused children raised in squalor who then grow up to lead troubled lives are simply individuals who made bad choices and have nobody to blame but themselves...,well that is ridiculous and shockingly ignorant.


I was abused and systematically neglected as a child too. Do I get government money? Is the Government responsible? I believe I said "no one is responsible for my decisions, but me". I implied you take ownership for your life decisions. The nerve of me.

So then, every child born into poverty and from a broken home can blame the government for their lot. Got it. Don't try to improve your lot. The Government will magically fix everything for you. Got it.

There are millions in this Country who live in abject poverty and live in broken homes, many of us bear those scars and some do as you do and expect someone else to fix this for us, but some actually go and actively unfuck the clusterfuck they are born into. There are so many opportunities for Indigenous folks to succeed. All you gotta do it take that first step and begin to take control of your own destiny.

I totally get it though, life is far easier when you wallow in victim-hood and bitch about how hard done by you are.

Attitudes of entitlement, like yours, really piss me off. Grow the fuck up and realize; while shitty, you're through it and no one else is going to me made to suffer what you suffered. Holding general Canadian society and making all these demands because "you are a victim" is bullshit. Grow up, move on and know that you are stronger for enduring it. Take charge of your life. Pop the Government's titty out of your mouth.

$1:
clean water, sewer, garbage disposal, schools, hospitals, public transit, libraries, community centres, subsidized daycares and summer camps, public parks, social assistance, mail delivery, food safety inspection

All non-traditional services of Government.
$1:
Who pays for the cleanup of oil spills?

Usually the bunch of morons that spilled the oil.
$1:
Not always, disaster victims often get government assistance also. Also if the government was the one who caused the disaster damn right you’d be expecting government to compensate you.

1. If the Government compensates me for a disaster, it's nice. I don't hold my fucking hand out and expect it.
2. Compensation is usually a one time thing. You don't get to drag it out for 30+ years, by crying about past injustice.
$1:
Who pays for the cleanup of oil spills? GOVERNMENT Who paid to clean up the Sydney tar pond? GOVERNMENT. Who paid to clean up the industrial mercury leakage that’s been poisoning almost 100% of the residents Grassy Narrows reserve for 50 years and counting? Trick question it still hasn’t been cleaned up.

Ever think about hiring a private company and do it yourselves? Bill back to the feds? I mean, it does require standing on your own and I know that's scary.

1200 MMIW is not genocide, its a symptom of a problem and I do hope those responsible are caught and dealt with, but to decry this a "Genocide" does disservice to every single actual genocide victim and survivor.
Author:  Tricks [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:19 am ]
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llama66 llama66:
I was abused and systematically neglected as a child too. Do I get government money? Is the Government responsible? I believe I said "no one is responsible for my decisions, but me". I implied you take ownership for your life decisions. The nerve of me.

I totally get it though, life is far easier when you wallow in victim-hood and bitch about how hard done by you are.

Attitudes of entitlement, like yours, really piss me off. Grow the fuck up and realize; while shitty, you're through it and no one else is going to me made to suffer what you suffered. Holding general Canadian society and making all these demands because "you are a victim" is bullshit. Grow up, move on and know that you are stronger for enduring it. Take charge of your life. Pop the Government's titty out of your mouth.
Most of them probably need heaps of therapy. Your experiences don't invalidate someone else's. An attitude like this is why we have abuse travelling down families. A person abused as a child is more likely to abuse as an adult because they didn't seek help. I agree that just giving them money is the wrong answer, but ignoring it is also wrong. We should be working with them and trying to find ways for them to move past their demons. Most of them were probably driven to alcohol and drugs as a result of these nightmares, and that's not something easily dropped. I don't think trying to help them get clean, and be in a healthy mental state is entitlement.

$1:
$1:
clean water, sewer, garbage disposal, schools, hospitals, public transit, libraries, community centres, subsidized daycares and summer camps, public parks, social assistance, mail delivery, food safety inspection

All non-traditional services of Government.
In what century? Sure some of them like summer camps. But alot of those things have been part of government for well over 100 years or more.

Schools - late 1800s
Library - first public library in 1796 in Canada.
Health Care - 1947 in canada
Clean water/sewage - literally ancient rome
Garbage disposal - Can't find Canadian, but 1895 in the U.S.
mail delivery - 1775

Additionally, it not being a "traditional service of Government" doesn't mean it's a bad thing for the government to do. I'm sure we're super glad we have food safety regulations.
Author:  martin14 [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:33 am ]
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All non-traditional services of Government.
$1:
In what century? Sure some of them like summer camps. But alot of those things have been part of government for well over 100 years or more.

Schools - late 1800s
Library - first public library in 1796 in Canada.
Health Care - 1947 in canada
Clean water/sewage - literally ancient rome
Garbage disposal - Can't find Canadian, but 1895 in the U.S.
mail delivery - 1775

Additionally, it not being a "traditional service of Government" doesn't mean it's a bad thing for the government to do. I'm sure we're super glad we have food safety regulations.



100 years from at least 5000 years of recorded history.
Have you ever stopped to think for a minute this is an aberration rather than normal ?

Just curious.
Author:  Tricks [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:42 am ]
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martin14 martin14:
All non-traditional services of Government.
$1:
In what century? Sure some of them like summer camps. But alot of those things have been part of government for well over 100 years or more.

Schools - late 1800s
Library - first public library in 1796 in Canada.
Health Care - 1947 in canada
Clean water/sewage - literally ancient rome
Garbage disposal - Can't find Canadian, but 1895 in the U.S.
mail delivery - 1775

Additionally, it not being a "traditional service of Government" doesn't mean it's a bad thing for the government to do. I'm sure we're super glad we have food safety regulations.



100 years from at least 5000 years of recorded history.
Have you ever stopped to think for a minute this is an aberration rather than normal ?

Just curious.
Would you like to go back to how things were 5000 years ago? How about 200? Or are things a bit better now?

Just curious.
Author:  martin14 [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:46 am ]
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So, no.

OK then.
Author:  Tricks [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:49 am ]
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martin14 martin14:
So, no.

OK then.

Over the last 5000 years? Yes, an aberration. Are aberrations bad?
Author:  llama66 [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:25 am ]
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$1:
Most of them probably need heaps of therapy. Your experiences don't invalidate someone else's.

I needed 16 years of therapy to be a mostly functioning member of society. I'm not intending to invalidate, I guess I've always had the "I'm not a victim, I'm a survivor" attitude.

Nowhere did I say or (intentionally) imply we should just cover it up or ignore it, we acknowledge it, and we move past it. It's high time we look at a tangible solution to this issue, because money and political pandering is not it.
$1:
Additionally, it not being a "traditional service of Government" doesn't mean it's a bad thing for the government to do. I'm sure we're super glad we have food safety regulations.

Not implying its a bad thing, just saying its not a true role of government. All these are services that can be provided by private entities. I'm happy they're public; it's what make's this nation great.
Author:  BeaverFever [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:34 am ]
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martin14 martin14:
All non-traditional services of Government.
$1:
In what century? Sure some of them like summer camps. But alot of those things have been part of government for well over 100 years or more.

Schools - late 1800s
Library - first public library in 1796 in Canada.
Health Care - 1947 in canada
Clean water/sewage - literally ancient rome
Garbage disposal - Can't find Canadian, but 1895 in the U.S.
mail delivery - 1775

Additionally, it not being a "traditional service of Government" doesn't mean it's a bad thing for the government to do. I'm sure we're super glad we have food safety regulations.



100 years from at least 5000 years of recorded history.
Have you ever stopped to think for a minute this is an aberration rather than normal ?

Just curious.


ROTFL


We only stopped taking child brides and being allowed to beat our wives to death about 100 years ago too. Should we reinstate those “normal” practices too?

Living as peasant serfs under the rule of some warlord is also most of recorded history do you want to go back to that also?

LETS GO BACK TO LIVING IN THE BRONZE AGE EVERYTHING ELSE IS ABERRATION
Author:  Tricks [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:16 am ]
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llama66 llama66:
$1:
Most of them probably need heaps of therapy. Your experiences don't invalidate someone else's.

I needed 16 years of therapy to be a mostly functioning member of society. I'm not intending to invalidate, I guess I've always had the "I'm not a victim, I'm a survivor" attitude.

Nowhere did I say or (intentionally) imply we should just cover it up or ignore it, we acknowledge it, and we move past it. It's high time we look at a tangible solution to this issue, because money and political pandering is not it.
Then I agree. I think if a Party wanted to actually wanted to help, they would say something like "We are committed to provide funding for drug rehabilitation programs and for extensive therapy to anyone who was affected by these actions."

Money, but towards something that might actually help. Get their head in the right space, get them off the drugs they started using to cope, and try to provide them with some opportunities to lift themselves up.
$1:
Not implying its a bad thing, just saying its not a true role of government. All these are services that can be provided by private entities. I'm happy they're public; it's what make's this nation great.

You can make the argument that virtually anything a government does can be provided by a private entity. In fact I can't name something a government does currently that a private entity hasn't done in the past.
Author:  DrCaleb [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:26 am ]
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Tricks Tricks:
In fact I can't name something a government does currently that a private entity hasn't done in the past, badly.


FTFY.
Author:  Tricks [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:42 am ]
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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Tricks Tricks:
In fact I can't name something a government does currently that a private entity hasn't done in the past, badly.


FTFY.

Valid.
Author:  FieryVulpine [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:29 am ]
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Tricks Tricks:
Then I agree. I think if a Party wanted to actually wanted to help, they would say something like "We are committed to provide funding for drug rehabilitation programs and for extensive therapy to anyone who was affected by these actions."

Money, but towards something that might actually help. Get their head in the right space, get them off the drugs they started using to cope, and try to provide them with some opportunities to lift themselves up.

This is just my personal opinion, but there are many FN leaders that seem to want to go back to a pre-contact state of mind regardless of the fact that we--the descendants of the settlers--are here and not going anywhere. They want to be treated as sovereign nations, but that seems increasingly unworkable and has fragmented Canadian society even further.
Author:  llama66 [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:31 am ]
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It sure seems that way FV.
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