So how about instead of banning straws, we work with the rest of the G12 and impose hefty environmental tariffs on these polluters that wind up undercutting our jobs/factories by destroying the environment?

The day we decide to impose an environmental embargo on China the way we do on countries like Iran for nuclear technology, is the day we save the planet.

You think making people pay more taxes will prevent pollution?

Maybe if we invest in more biodegradable tech research and make that cheaper than the alternatives we can curtail pollution.

The first step to dealing with pollution is accepting that regardless of what taxes or law you enact; pollution will still happen.

Taxing me for "creating carbon" will do nothing. Robbing me of my money to save me is a retarded idea.

No, but it has to start somewhere, even if that somewhere is just a token placeholder.

On;y it doesn't work


'Biodegradeable' plastic is a pipe dream. Plastic does not biodegrade, because it is not biological. It breaks down into smaller and smaller bits, but those bits are with us forever.
Re-read my comment. Nowhere did I say "Plastic"

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... tname=none

https://soranews24.com/2019/05/27/nara- ... -properly/



No, it will only happen if we continue to see it as acceptable. Even been in a major US city? Garbage everywhere, the smell of urine. Do you see or smell that in Calgary? No, because it's unacceptable.
I smell piss in alley's daily. It's horrid. However, using fines or laws to curtail repundent behavior doesn't work. Otherwise, we'd have no need for prisons, police or parking control


Worked for smoking.
Did it? Smoking is still a thing

Except 'Do nothing' isn't what was said or suggested, is it?

Oh well...let's play the 'how many times do you have to say something before Beave and his crew hear it,' game, again.

From an article in the Financial post:

"There are simple solutions available to us that don’t involve heavy-handed bans. First, we could focus more strictly on limiting how plastics end up in our rivers, lakes and streams. Better recycling programs and stricter littering prohibitions could go a long way to curbing the plastic Canada does contribute. For those single-use products that otherwise end up in landfills, we could follow Sweden’s lead, and incinerate that waste. Doing so creates a power source for local communities, while capturing airborne toxins, limiting toxic runoff, and significantly reducing the volume of waste.

Good public policy should address a real problem and should make a meaningful impact on the said problem. Unfortunately, Trudeau’s proposed single-use plastics ban would have little to no impact on overall ocean waste, while promoting high-impact alternatives, and inflating costs for consumers. All three of these factored together create a fairly toxic policy mix."

So, here in Canada, we're dealing with much less pollution than the hysterics on the left are pulling their hair out about. It appears manageable. The alternative is to increase cost of alternatives by four times and increase air pollution producing the alternatives. It isn't just straws. It would have to be take-out containers, cups, lids, those plastic inlays in Justin's water bottles and on and on. "Single-use plastics."

Giving government "management" powers over a ban would have to produce problems we haven't thought of yet.

What some conservatives are actually saying is do an even better job of cleaning than we've been doing and try to pressure the real perpetrators of the much bigger problem - the 99.09 percent of the problem to smarten up.

Fuck prevention. Punishment is the way.

Re-read my comment. Nowhere did I say "Plastic"

Pollution will still happen regardless of how much you charge the average Canadian for existing. Research into inexpensive disposal and into material that can break down if it ends up in water or on land.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not but if you are, why couldn't you do both?

Just be smart and inventive in how the prevention/cleanup was done, judicious in the punishment for lawbreakers and in the case of International pressure, diplomatic.

Like, a carbon tax?