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Author:  N_Fiddledog [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:50 pm ]
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I think if you're pushing for gun control and pretending you have the stats to support the need then you might want to address the problems in the regions where gun control has been implemented and is obviously not working.

11 Shot Dead, 63 Wounded in Chicago Over the Weekend. America Yawns

If that doesn't interest you but you still want to use these recent tragedies to push for gun control (or be honest and simply say grabbing) you don't actually care about the numbers or the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of gun control measures. These recent mass shootings are nothing more to you than convenient.

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Author:  fifeboy [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:18 pm ]
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N_Fiddledog wrote:
I think if you're pushing for gun control and pretending you have the stats to support the need then you might want to address the problems in the regions where gun control has been implemented and is obviously not working.

11 Shot Dead, 63 Wounded in Chicago Over the Weekend. America Yawns

If that doesn't interest you but you still want to use these recent tragedies to push for gun control (or be honest and simply say grabbing) you don't actually care about the numbers or the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of gun control measures. These recent mass shootings are nothing more to you than convenient.

This is just a guess on my part, but I suspect it's because the places that have the bans imposed them because their gun violence situation was completely out of control. I remember that, when I was a teen, Detroit and Chicago were no go zones for non residence people. Either the Cops or the bandits were going to give you a new orifice. A single treatment (gun ban) can't solve the problems of those places.

Author:  N_Fiddledog [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:32 pm ]
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Possibly.

If only you could show how things have improved rather than gotten worse after the implementation of more stringent gun laws.

Author:  llama66 [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 pm ]
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I remember my Dad telling me they used to fish people out of the Detroit River on the Windsor side with tear gas canister holes in them back in the 60's and 70's.

Author:  DrCaleb [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:36 am ]
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Walmart Removes Violent Images as Pressure Mounts on Gun Sales

Walmart Inc. is removing displays of violent video games and movies in its stores as pressure mounts for the world’s largest retailer to act in the wake of two deadly shootings at its locations in Texas and Mississippi in recent weeks.

Chief Executive Officer Doug McMillon this week said that the company will be “thoughtful and deliberate in our responses” to the shootings, which left 22 people dead in El Paso, and killed two employees at a store in Southaven, Mississippi.

The company has no plans to stop selling guns or ammunition, spokesman Randy Hargrove said in an interview on Sunday, a day after the El Paso shooting.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -in-stores

Author:  uwish [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:04 am ]
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N_Fiddledog wrote:
Possibly.

If only you could show how things have improved rather than gotten worse after the implementation of more stringent gun laws.


back in the FAC days, when you needed no license people could buy guns online and have them shipped with no real checks, there were no mass shootings then. The guns have not changed but the people sure have..

There is no evidence that bans make anything better, drugs is good eg, prohibition is another. The UK is dealing with some of the most violence with firearms they have ever seen and there is an outright ban on anything other than single shot rifles and shotguns. And none of that gun crime is with those types of firearms.

Author:  llama66 [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:29 am ]
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Education and mental health supports go a long way to mitigating some of this violence.

Author:  stratos [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:05 am ]
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mental health supports go a long way to mitigating some of this violence.




This part is, to me, a key thing. Here in the US we talk about Mental Health a lot when these incidents happen but never expand funding or facilities to assist those that need help. Both political sides talk and talk but hardly a word is said about funding and facilities.

Author:  DrCaleb [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:09 am ]
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stratos wrote:
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mental health supports go a long way to mitigating some of this violence.




This part is, to me, a key thing. Here in the US we talk about Mental Health a lot when these incidents happen but never expand funding or facilities to assist those that need help. Both political sides talk and talk but hardly a word is said about funding and facilities.


It's just coincidence that funding for mental health delined about the same time the population of homeless increased.

Author:  llama66 [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:08 am ]
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Fund Mental Health, and I'm certain you'd see the Mass Shootings reduce.

Author:  stratos [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:20 am ]
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DrCaleb wrote:
stratos wrote:
Quote:
mental health supports go a long way to mitigating some of this violence.




This part is, to me, a key thing. Here in the US we talk about Mental Health a lot when these incidents happen but never expand funding or facilities to assist those that need help. Both political sides talk and talk but hardly a word is said about funding and facilities.


It's just coincidence that funding for mental health delined about the same time the population of homeless increased.


Yeah it was just a coincidence. Here it was very noticeable but over time those who lost their beds at the Mental hospital either moved on or a new site was found for them. Now it's for this area it is not so much people with mental health issues but those that have lost their jobs and houses. Along with a vast majority of people from other states that have come here looking for jobs. Once Austin was a booming job market but with current unemployment around 2.7% it's hard to find a job.

Author:  stratos [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:28 am ]
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llama66 wrote:
Fund Mental Health, and I'm certain you'd see the Mass Shootings reduce.


Not just funding but also housing which is part of founding. Back in the late 80s a lot of mental health facilities got their founding cut and had to kick patients out or out right closed. New places need to be built I'm sure and staff hired and so fourth.

But I do agree that we would see a reduction in mass killings I would hope even if only a slight drop that would be a good thing. If it was just a slight drop off in numbers we can look at other factors and address them. Maybe studies in the role of social interaction and or lack there of by shooters. There is a wide breadth of factors and studies that I think need to be done or addressed. Simply calling for more Gun Control is not an answer. Chicago is prof of that.

Author:  llama66 [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:08 pm ]
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"Gun Control" just controls the guns in law abiding citizen's hands, it does nothing to alleviate the illicit gun market

Author:  PluggyRug [ Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:30 pm ]
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llama66 wrote:
"Gun Control" just controls the guns in law abiding citizen's hands, it does nothing to alleviate the illicit gun market


Well the CBC knows better....

https://gundebate.ca/wp-content/uploads ... Report.pdf

Author:  DrCaleb [ Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:23 am ]
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PluggyRug wrote:
llama66 wrote:
"Gun Control" just controls the guns in law abiding citizen's hands, it does nothing to alleviate the illicit gun market


Well the CBC knows better....

https://gundebate.ca/wp-content/uploads ... Report.pdf


Quote:
Firearm owners are constituents of the CBC and deserve fair and equal representation in CBC coverage. In fact, nowhere more so than at the CBC should firearm owners expect this equitable coverage


Quote:
Conclusions
The CBC serves all Canadians regardless of their demographic including their status as a gun owner or non-gun owner. There is an expectation that Canadians who are affected by the debates and discussions being had in the CBC’s coverage will be given a platform and a voice.CBC coverage should reflect the diversity of perspectives which Canadians hold on issues of national interest including firearm rights and gun-control.


See, there we go again with the myth that the media has to be 'fair'. It has no obligation to be, it has an obligation to tell the truth.

And the CBC seems to be living in their head, rent free. They don't mention any other news organization in their conclusion, even though others are listed in their "study".

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