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Author:  Newsbot [ Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  A Very Important Point No One Is Making About the Blockades:

Title: A Very Important Point No One Is Making About the Blockades: They're Ontario's Fault.
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2020-02-22 16:53:09
Canadian

Author:  Freakinoldguy [ Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:58 pm ]
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Sorry about the double post. But that aside, it's an interesting take on responsibility for the debacle that's being played out all across Canada.

Author:  CharlesAnthony [ Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:32 pm ]
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This author is muddying the waters.

Far be it for me to defend any police force but in this case, blaming this on the Ontario Provincial Police force is yellow-bellied bullshit and dare I say, making matters worse.

SHORT VERSION: How dare anybody push the OPP force to start a civil commercial war?!?




Blocking a national railway is an act of war. Every single politician, puppet, presstitute, propagandist and bullshit journalist who avoids declaring these actions as such is in on the act.
If any of these donkeys hung their own pairs, they would call in the armed forces. Unfortunately, this is all a bullshit act to distract the public's attention. It is easier to say the trains are not running on time because of some exogenous factors than to admit the controllers ran the economy to the ground.


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Conservative leadership candidate Erin O’Toole stressed the national character of the railroad in a plan, unveiled Thursday, that he says would prevent these situations from occurring in future. "As prime minister, he would introduce legislation to designate ports and major railways, highways and bridges as critical national infrastructure and to make it a criminal offence to block them, even without a court injunction,” the Post’s Brian Platt reported. “He also says he would declare a general policy that police should clear blockades quickly so they don’t grow to the point where ‘clearing them risks violence.'"
Oh, I get it!
Canuckletards are going to have to wait!! for something they do not need anyways!!!

Author:  Mowich [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:55 pm ]
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Freakinoldguy wrote:
Sorry about the double post. But that aside, it's an interesting take on responsibility for the debacle that's being played out all across Canada.

Let's remember it was not the province of ON that erected the illegal blockades it was a bunch of Mohawk thugs who saw an opportunity to cause chaos while using the BC land claim dispute as an excuse to bring our trains to a halt. Anyone thinking that the Mohawk punks had a single care for the Wet'suwet'en really need to give their heads a shake.

Author:  herbie [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A Very Important Point No One Is Making About the Blockades:

Waldo J. Sneed, direct descendant of Prince Rupert says Britain illegally gave his ancestral Rupert's Land to Canada, he never ceded it, and all you people of Alberta, Saskatchewan and N Manitoba can get the fuck off now and go back where you came from.

Why not? The RCMP here offered to withdraw back to the cop shop in Houston (B.C.) but one of the Imaginary Chiefs said that wasn't good enough, they have to leave Wet'n'sweatin' territory completely.

Author:  Freakinoldguy [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:52 pm ]
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herbie wrote:
Waldo J. Sneed, direct descendant of Prince Rupert says Britain illegally gave his ancestral Rupert's Land to Canada, he never ceded it, and all you people of Alberta, Saskatchewan and N Manitoba can get the fuck off now and go back where you came from.

Why not? The RCMP here offered to withdraw back to the cop shop in Houston (B.C.) but one of the Imaginary Chiefs said that wasn't good enough, they have to leave Wet'n'sweatin' territory completely.


ROTFL

Funny but a far to accurate an assessment of the situation. R=UP

Author:  N_Fiddledog [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:20 pm ]
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Author:  BeaverFever [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:01 pm ]
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herbie wrote:
Waldo J. Sneed, direct descendant of Prince Rupert says Britain illegally gave his ancestral Rupert's Land to Canada, he never ceded it, and all you people of Alberta, Saskatchewan and N Manitoba can get the fuck off now and go back where you came from.

Why not? The RCMP here offered to withdraw back to the cop shop in Houston (B.C.) but one of the Imaginary Chiefs said that wasn't good enough, they have to leave Wet'n'sweatin' territory completely.


Sorry Herbie but your joke is misguided. The Rupert's Land Act 1868 of the United Kingdom Parliament authorized the sale of Rupert's Land to Canada It was all done nice and legal, unlike how land was transferred from FN. BUT the First Nations people there all (eventually) signed treaties and ceded the land.

The fact that no land was ceded and no treaties were signed in mainland BC thanks to BC governments racist sentiments of the day is very relevant Also there’s nothing imaginary about the hereditary chiefs. Supreme Court long ago ruled that the Indian Act and the constitution do not extinguish traditional FN leadership.

Author:  herbie [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:07 pm ]
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And sorry back, but you're talking to someone who thinks tradition is the least significant reason to do anything. Specially to over-rule the democratic rights of the people they claim to represent.

Author:  BeaverFever [ Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:42 pm ]
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herbie wrote:
And sorry back, but you're talking to someone who thinks tradition is the least significant reason to do anything. Specially to over-rule the democratic rights of the people they claim to represent.


I don’t care about tradition either but this isn’t about tradition. The Supreme Court of Canada in Delgamuukw v. British Columbia ruled that the systems of government used by First Nations prior to Europeans arrival are not automatically extinguished and still exist today. Therefore the Hereditary Chiefs are the real title holders of the land, not the elected band councils that the Canadian government created under the Indian Act, the latter’s job it is to administer the “new world” municipal functions of the reserve like the police and fire department, spend federal funds, etc. .

Author:  Prof_Chomsky [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:48 am ]
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I just can't bring myself to care.

At which point in history do we start enforcing land ownership rights? When the British took the territory from the French? When the French took it from Hudson's Bay? When one Indian tribe took it from another? Or when the first Indians took it from the beavers?

Ancient history belongs in the past.

Author:  herbie [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:03 pm ]
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Your conclusion is flawed in that most of the Bands today have chosen otherwise.
Loggers, mines, road builders, developers, etc. deal with the Councils. They deal with land use issues.
The ridiculous part is this nationwide show of 'solidarity' which is not held by the local people. Who anyone can go talk to at the A&W, the mall, or at shift change at the super-mill.

Author:  Freakinoldguy [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:01 pm ]
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herbie wrote:
Your conclusion is flawed in that most of the Bands today have chosen otherwise.
Loggers, mines, road builders, developers, etc. deal with the Councils. They deal with land use issues.
The ridiculous part is this nationwide show of 'solidarity' which is not held by the local people. Who anyone can go talk to at the A&W, the mall, or at shift change at the super-mill.



Here's another interesting take on what's happening and it isn't from some outsiders point of view. It's from the band members themselves.



Quote:
Around 200 Wet’suwet’en members attended a meeting in northern B.C. on Wednesday afternoon to show their support for the controversial Coastal GasLink pipeline being built through their territory.

The first speaker at the event in Houston was Russell Tiljoe, a man in his 80s with 10 children whose father was a hereditary chief in the Beaver clan.

Tiljoe said he attended the meeting, organized by the Kitimat-based pro-LNG group The North Matters, because he believed in employment.

He said that in the past the provincial government would issue permits and commence projects in Wet’suwet’en territory without consulting chiefs.

Back then, chiefs “didn’t want very much. Just one cent in every dollar so our children don’t go to sleep hungry at night.

“Back in those days First Nations people didn’t have much of a chance of getting a good job. We had to take the jobs that nobody else wanted,” Tiljoe said, adding that the pipeline offers economic hope at a time when the lumber industry is struggling.

“Sometimes you don’t see what the solution is until it comes. There’s always a solution. That’s what my father told me.”


Tiljoe’s daughter Marion Shepherd also spoke. She said she was a member of the Unist’ot’en (Dark House), one of 13 Wet’suwet’en houses that fall within five clans.

The Unist’ot’en are at the centre of the pipeline protests that are raging across the country. It is within their territory that the RCMP moved in two weeks ago to take down a barricade blocking Coastal GasLink crews from accessing a work site. The head chief of the Unist’ot’en is Warner Williams (Knedebeas) and one of the wing chiefs is Freda Huson, who has become the face of the protest movement.

Shepherd said Williams and Huson were not listening to clan members.

“It really makes me sad that our elders and our hereditaries cannot speak because only the select few are allowed and I really don’t believe in that,” she said, adding that members of the Big Frog clan had not been kept informed since 2015, when relations between the hereditary chiefs and Coastal GasLink broke down.


https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... HNbKO1VOoc

But you don't hear about these people do you and that's because they oppose the anarchy being perpetrated on Canada by the clowns that are using this issue to further their own political and social goals?

If the Hereditary chiefs are the ones who hold the power in the Native society, what kind of leaders are they? As the supposed leaders of their Bands they're letting their own people remain in squalor and jobless for their own personal gain, they're refusing to allow a democratic society to rise within their bands because it would mean they would lose control, the power along with money that comes with their elite status and if this article is correct they're blatantly ignoring their own traditions along with the rights of other band members?

So, I'll leave with this thought. Who are the real villains in all this and just to be clear, it isn't the band members like Russell Tiljoe or Marion Sheppard.

Author:  Strutz [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:07 am ]
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Good post FOG. The article illustrates a point that not everyone realizes as they paint all First Nations people with the same paintbrush and assume they all must be opposed to anything and everything. There are those that see the benefits these projects bring to small communities and see the potential gains they could make to benefit themselves.

IMO the so-called supporters who are manning the protest lines across the country likely have no real idea as to what the issue is all about.

Author:  DrCaleb [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:58 am ]
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Strutz wrote:
IMO the so-called supporters who are manning the protest lines across the country likely have no real idea as to what the issue is all about.


And they are making it very difficult to respect native rights to those Canadians stranded because their LRT train is blocked by some assholes saying that "Reconciliation is dead", while the people they claim to be supporting are telling them to stand down.

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