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Author:  Newsbot [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Canada loses its bid for seat on UN Security Council

Title: Canada loses its bid for seat on UN Security Council
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: shockedcanadian
Date: 2020-06-17 14:01:42
Canadian

Author:  shockedcanadian [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:04 pm ]
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When you are a small, weak nation like Canada, you're very best weapon is your principle. If other nations don't see it, you have nothing to offer but platitudes.

There are enough human right violators in the U.N, Canada should have decided long ago not to be another one. It can't hurt our global standing which has been waning for decades. Civil liberties, accountability, transparency Access to Justice, all receiving failing grade. When it comes time to have real influence, who wants to give us any benefit of the doubt? Losing to Norway and Ireland...

Author:  Scape [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:11 pm ]
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Canada is seen as too close to Israel to be an honest broker. That and Trudeau's big push of saying 'Canada is back' deflated fast when the response was we never left (Ireland/Norway). Our membership in the G7 and G20 was our only ace in the hole to counter that but with International agreements on the wane under Trump it was hard to make that case.

Good that this is done. Trudeau's vanity project is over.

Author:  bootlegga [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:38 pm ]
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Scape wrote:
Canada is seen as too close to Israel to be an honest broker. That and Trudeau's big push of saying 'Canada is back' deflated fast when the response was we never left (Ireland/Norway). Our membership in the G7 and G20 was our only ace in the hole to counter that but with International agreements on the wane under Trump it was hard to make that case.

Good that this is done. Trudeau's vanity project is over.


The blame falls squarely on the CPC for this - they should have supported the bid for an open seat sometime after they got elected in 2006 (like Norway and Ireland did), but they didn't because of their anti-UN views.

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The federal government has spent more than $2.3 million on its bid for a seat.


Had we succeeded, that would have been a very low price to increase our limited political influence globally, which in the era of Trump is desperately needed.

Author:  BartSimpson [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:37 pm ]
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https://ceoworld.biz/2020/03/03/ranked- ... ed-forces/

Canada is 24th.

Author:  PluggyRug [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:41 pm ]
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Good.

Author:  Thanos [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:08 pm ]
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Apparently the last time Canada vied for a Security Council seat was in 2010, under Stephen Harper. We came in second with 114 votes, lost to Portugal. Today under Trudeau we came in third with 108 votes, and lost to Norway and Ireland. Harper hasn't been around for five years, so who gets the blame for today's humiliation? Jason Kenney? Rex Murphy? Don Cherry? :lol:

Author:  PluggyRug [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:49 pm ]
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Author:  Martin15 [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:13 pm ]
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bootlegga wrote:
to increase our limited political influence globally,


To do what exactly ? Waste even more money on Dopey's virtue signanling ? Yeah no thanks.

Author:  Freakinoldguy [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:17 pm ]
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Thanos wrote:
Apparently the last time Canada vied for a Security Council seat was in 2010, under Stephen Harper. We came in second with 114 votes, lost to Portugal. Today under Trudeau we came in third with 108 votes, and lost to Norway and Ireland. Harper hasn't been around for five years, so who gets the blame for today's humiliation? Jason Kenney? Rex Murphy? Don Cherry? :lol:



ROTFL

Besides Trudeau getting schooled by the UN being the funniest thing I heard today, I for some strange reason still don't give a shit about getting that seat on the Security Council.

But it's good to know that it's Harper's fault because, without that well trotted out Liberal excuse there'd be no real explanation for why Beloved Leader couldn't secure a seat at the table in the most corrupt organization in the world.

Author:  bootlegga [ Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:54 am ]
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Thanos wrote:
Apparently the last time Canada vied for a Security Council seat was in 2010, under Stephen Harper. We came in second with 114 votes, lost to Portugal. Today under Trudeau we came in third with 108 votes, and lost to Norway and Ireland. Harper hasn't been around for five years, so who gets the blame for today's humiliation? Jason Kenney? Rex Murphy? Don Cherry? :lol:


Nope, Harper (and his former minister of foreign affairs) gets the blame for this one too. Instead of supporting a bid after we lost in 2010, we had to wait until after he lost in 2015, which was almost a decade after Ireland and Norway, who had already locked up most of the votes by the time Trudeau decided to try the hail mary pass to get it in 2016.

This was because like conservatives everywhere, they distrust any sort of international agreement and instead insist on either going it alone or tagging along with Uncle Sam.

It's completely hypocritical of conservatives (both in Canada and on CKA) to complain about Canada's lack of international influence when they undermine it at every opportunity in international organizations.

Author:  CharlesAnthony [ Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:15 am ]
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So...... is this a good thing or a bad thing??


QUESTION: "Mr.PrimeMinister, did you learn anything?? Did the UnitedNations selection committee give you a report card with advice on how to improve your teleprompter skills??"

PierreElliotMargot: "Uh.... uh.... moving forward.... uh.... "

Author:  BeaverFever [ Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:33 am ]
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Summary of conservative views:

- Canada has had a seat on the UNSC in every decade since the UN was founded, until the 2000s but its only wrong if Trudeau also goes for it

- Stephen Harper also bid for a seat in 2010 and failed but it’s only wrong if Trudeau does it

Author:  Thanos [ Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:00 pm ]
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For those who insist that Harper and only Harper is to blame, for everything and for the rest of eternity too apparently, there's this little tidbit. Canada's presence on the world stage is no larger now after Harper's been gone for five years than it was when he was PM, and in some cases it's even diminished further since Trudeau was elected:

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/matt- ... ae7550618/

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After four years of effort and huge sums of money and energy, Canada decisively lost its bid for a UN Security Council seat on Wednesday. It placed third, behind winners Ireland and Norway, and such a distant third that it was all over on the first ballot.

In other words, if Canada’s back, the world hasn’t noticed, or cared.

“Canada’s back,” of course, was the slogan much-loved by the Trudeau Liberals when they defeated Stephen Harper in 2015. It was always nonsensical. Canada remained engaged in the world during Harper’s tenure and continued to hold a high international reputation in surveys. The notion that the Harper years were some dark age in Canadian foreign policy might be true for a small section of Canada’s foreign policy establishment and no doubt is for Liberals, but no one else seemed to have noticed much. “Canada’s back” really meant, for Liberals, that they were back — back at the helm of the country they often seem to think it’s their birthright to rule. Getting the seat on the council would have been the symbolic confirmation of Canada’s (their) “return.”

And … that’s about it. There’s no other real advantage to a two-year term in one of the temporary, non-veto-wielding seats. No one outside of Canada much cares whether Canada has a seat at the table, and to be frank, the Norwegians and Irish have worked harder for it. Both are well ahead of Canada in foreign assistance spending, especially Norway, which is the world’s leader (per capita); Ireland has consistently contributed more than Canada to peacekeeping in recent years. Canada did contribute to the UN mission in Mali, but only after years of dithering, and that contribution was limited and brief. With no disrespect intended to the troops who took part, it was token, and ended as soon as the Liberals could arrange. A persuasion campaign by Canadian diplomats and the prime minister’s personal charm were clearly not enough to compensate for our manifest lack of interest in meaningfully contributing abroad. In fact, the Trudeau government got fewer votes for the seat than the Harper government did in 2010.

Not that it matters. Unless you count the millions of public dollars that Trudeau eagerly spent in campaigning for the seat. And the fact that he compromised Canadian principles, breaking a longtime pattern of not supporting anti-Israel resolutions at the UN while sweet-talking some pretty unsavoury world leaders in an attempt to win their votes. Not to mention the vast government resources he marshalled in pursuing his vanity project, even as Canada was dealing with a pandemic crisis of historic proportions.

No one outside of the Liberal party and Canada’s foreign service establishment is likely to be too heartbroken over this. That’s fair enough, as far as it goes — the UN is dysfunctional and, at least in its current form, obsolete. While some of its individual programs continue to do good work, as a whole, it’s best ignored until massively overhauled. Given its Cold War-era roots and design, such an overhaul might not even be possible. Indeed, Canada would have been better off investing its time and energy in campaigning for those reforms, rather than for a temporary place at the tippy-top of the current broken model.

But we didn’t, and now that our defeat is official, it’s time to ask some tough questions, starting with: Now what?

Seriously. Now what? Given the pandemic and the economic collapse and our minority Parliament, the prime minister could be forgiven an urge to turn inward and focus on domestic issues for the foreseeable future. There’s more than enough to keep him busy here at home.


What is it with the Canadian left, especially the Liberal party, that finds all-things-UN so compelling to them? Like, is being on the diplomatic cocktail party circuit really such a great source of prestige. NO ONE ELSE CARES, so why was it necessary to end up embarrassing the country with this loss just so the Liberals could get back on the invitation list to the upscale parties in New York City? And why is the UN even held in any sort of esteem when, at any given moment, countries like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and a host of other rotten dictatorships, holds sway over where development and aid money gets sent to?

Author:  Fighter [ Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:12 pm ]
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