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Author:  kenmore [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:31 pm ]
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well wouldnt go that far kashmyre....

Author:  westmanguy [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:44 pm ]
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My god this is pathetic of the Liberals.

Stand up and be counted, sheesh.

Author:  Thanos [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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mtbr mtbr:
Maybe the Libs didn't want to piss of one of their most reliable voting groups....inmates :lol:


Yeah, they're at least smart enough to know that it doesn't pay to piss off one of their core constituencies. That Clifford Olsen vote could prove to be strategic one day.

Author:  kenmore [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:52 pm ]
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thats true and if the crime bill had been passed a few decades ago there might be some prominent tories sitting with clifford right now ;)

Author:  tehowe [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:04 pm ]
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Oh, yeah, that would be great. /sarcasm

So what exactly was the content of the bill? What was it that the Liberals were willing to let pass? If it's reverse onus stuff, which I've heard people in gov't kick around, then they're definitely culpable if not complicit in wrecking the idea of justice itself. I don't think there's many people on Parliament Hill that are standing up for individual rights these days. I wouldn't want any of the existing parties in power.

Author:  kenmore [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:09 pm ]
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I havent seen a comment from the liberal team yet .. I think there were some issues that they felt needed to be ammended but Harper did not want to comply...

Author:  kenmore [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:12 pm ]
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The Liberals walked out of the Commons en masse Tuesday rather than vote on a government motion demanding that the Senate pass an omnibus crime bill by March 1.


They dismissed the vote as a political stunt, pointing out that the Commons has no say in how the Senate conducts its business. The Liberals have abstained on several key votes in the past, including the last budget, but this was their first walkout. ..... well I guess its a political maneuver. they didnt vote so if it doesnt sit well with voters the liberals are off the hook.... but still think they should have voted

Author:  kenmore [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:13 pm ]
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Probably see it as the tories holding the senate hostage like they did over the issue of funding for areas hit by the hard economic times..

Author:  kenmore [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:21 pm ]
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That is exactly what it is... the liberals supported the bill in the commons and the senate has had the bill for two months.. the vote today was a vote to force the senate to pass the bill into law by March 1st.. so the liberals walked out instead of voting which would interfere with the operation of the senate.. (mostly liberal) and that would cause issues.. the tories want to make it look like the liberals are soft on crime when in fact they did support the bill in the first place.. its the forcing of the senates hand that they disapproved of...

Author:  Normalguy [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:34 pm ]
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Hmm, I bet Karla Homolka was happy to have the vote....wonder who her ex is gonna vote for? Bet Dion knows....

Green! it's the new Red!!!!

Author:  Thanos [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:34 pm ]
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kenmore kenmore:
thats true and if the crime bill had been passed a few decades ago there might be some prominent tories sitting with clifford right now ;)


Yeah but they would have been outnumbered by the grads from the Chretien Academy.

Author:  Normalguy [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:39 pm ]
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Liberals be damned:

“No matter how disastrously some policy has turned out, anyone who criticizes it can expect to hear: "But what would you replace it with?" When you put out a fire, what do you replace it withâ€

Author:  ryan29 [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:33 pm ]
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hurley_108 hurley_108:
ziggy ziggy:
The motion passed, 172-27.


WTF? It would have passed even if the Liberals had voted against it....



but they didn't want to be seen as having supported it ot not supporting it . so they deciced to walk out , which if they had though about wasn't really a good idea . and makes them look really stuiped , couldn't even believe they had done it when i saw it on the news .

Author:  ryan29 [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:44 pm ]
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kenmore kenmore:
I havent seen a comment from the liberal team yet .. I think there were some issues that they felt needed to be ammended but Harper did not want to comply...




all there stuiped amendments are a waste of everyones time , why don't they just admit there is nothign wrong with these bills and pass them . i mean honest what is there to amend in them ? they have allready been pased by the house of commons .

Author:  hurley_108 [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:21 pm ]
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ryan29 ryan29:
kenmore kenmore:
I havent seen a comment from the liberal team yet .. I think there were some issues that they felt needed to be ammended but Harper did not want to comply...




all there stuiped amendments are a waste of everyones time , why don't they just admit there is nothign wrong with these bills and pass them . i mean honest what is there to amend in them ? they have allready been pased by the house of commons .


Actually, reverse onus IS wrong, and will be challenged quickly if this passes, meaning a lot of court time will be spent later undoing what could be undone now, quickly. Reverse onus on bail conditions is especially wrong.

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