And how many applicants actually TALK to immigration officers?? Only during an interview, and NOT every applicant has to attend to one. Then again, that is the second last step anyway (medical is last) before your visa is issued.

I don't know where you worked, but I can tell you Berlin is NOT reachable for applicants. Emails are not answered, the 2 hours, 3 days a week the phonelines are open, you get an answering machine. If you ask questions BEFORE you send in your application, the answer is: "send in your application, it is all part of the application process, so we will find out on the go."

So much for your story, as far as I am concerned...

People who are not citizens. Thought I made that clear. So permanent residents, they are not citizens and have sworn no loyalty to Canada. I'm not being prejudice here, the fact of the matter is until they make the commitment to Canada they are not Canadians and are still citizens of a foreign country, therefore, foreigners who reside legally in Canada.

I have no problem with them working or living here, I love the culture they add. However in certain jobs, like upholding our laws and protecting the country I feel there needs to be more of a commitment than being allowed to live here.

As for the police services, I know there are others but I don't have time to go through them all for you sorry.

Regina:

"Citizenship

* Legally entitled to work in Canada" In other words a PR how is a non-citizen.

http://www.reginapolice.ca/2007r_requirements.html

Edmonton:

"Canadian citizenship or legal permanent residence"

http://www.joineps.ca/ApplicationProcess/MinimumRequirements.aspx

Winnipeg:

"Canadian Citizen or Landed Immigrant/Permanent Resident"

http://www.winnipeg.ca/police/HumanResources/selection_process.stm#qualifications

Toronto:

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/careers/minreq.php

DND also allows non Canadians to join, but only in "exceptional circumstances"
http://www.forces.ca/html/index.aspx?m=0&lang=en&sid=162&sm1=4&sm2=0&tab=1&subTab=0

:lol: How would you know I called, when you can never leave a message?

When you are hired you have to swear an oath of loyalty to Canada and swear an oath of office.

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I kinda agree and disagree with you but I got hired 12 months before I became a citizen.
When you are hired you have to swear an oath of loyalty to Canada and swear an oath of office.
Also police are regulated by various federal and provincial acts which are much more restrictive than most other civilian employment.

Also I might add that Calgary and Edmonton actively hired in the UK because they weren't getting enough domestic applicants with the required skill set.

I know in my service that Brits make up a sizeable minority, probably the biggest 'ethnic' minority in most GTA services. Brits are a good fit in Canadian police services and I feel that I should add that we make loyal and productive Canadians, despite the many barriers Brits now face in emigrating to Canada.

I don't think we can say the same about a lot of other ethnic groups that are coming here in their thousands.

I'd answer your question but you didn't ask during regular calling hours sorry

I know there was frustrations with that and I don't want to sound callous to it or overly justify it but I'll be honest, if those who took calls ( I never dealt with the public) had to take them all day long they would not get the rest of their jobs done. There was simply not enough staff. If they hired two people to answer phones all day as their only job they may have been able to keep up.

I know its no consultation but Berlin was one the better run (more efficient) offices around.

And that alone is sufficent to determine citizenship for many countries and courts. You become a defacto citizen when you swear loyalty.

Heh, ok you threw me a loop there and I'm wandering into dangerous territory here but I think Brits and most commonwealth citizens are a bit of a different story. Our core laws basically are the same, the oath (at least when I took it for my job in Public Safety Dept) was to the Queen, the same Queen as you. Lets face it, the UK is still like a big brother to us. We quite simply owe the fact we are Canada to your native country. We trusted you with our protection before and helped you with yours so I think all that sets you apart from other Permanent Residents.