[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

At this point, it still is. It has not been turned into reality.

Wasn't long ago an Ontario man was tossed in jail for building a confinement room he never used to hold a woman he never kidnapped.

You can't prep for a crime with impunity.

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

At this point, it still is. It has not been turned into reality.

Wasn't long ago an Ontario man was tossed in jail for building a confinement room he never used to hold a woman he never kidnapped.

You can't prep for a crime with impunity.

Of course you can. Look at all the gun owners. They may never use their guns to commit a crime with, but they can, right? Arrest them all, I say!

[ShepherdsDog]

[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

At this point, it still is. It has not been turned into reality.

Wasn't long ago an Ontario man was tossed in jail for building a confinement room he never used to hold a woman he never kidnapped.

You can't prep for a crime with impunity.

Of course you can. Look at all the gun owners. They may never use their guns to commit a crime with, but they can, right? Arrest them all, I say!

Good luck finding enough room in the prisons to hold them all.

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Wasn't long ago an Ontario man was tossed in jail for building a confinement room he never used to hold a woman he never kidnapped.

You can't prep for a crime with impunity.

Of course you can. Look at all the gun owners. They may never use their guns to commit a crime with, but they can, right? Arrest them all, I say!

Good luck finding enough room in the prisons to hold them all.

That should never be a reason for not arresting anyone or setting criminals free...

[saturn_656]

$1:

That should never be a reason for not arresting anyone or setting criminals free...

Gun owners aren't criminals... at least not yet.

People who posses guns unlawfully do face sanction.

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

That should never be a reason for not arresting anyone or setting criminals free...

Gun owners aren't criminals... at least not yet.

People who posses guns unlawfully do face sanction.

Neither was this guy except for the child porn. At least not yet...

[Xort]

Brenda Brenda:

Of course you can. Look at all the gun owners. They may never use their guns to commit a crime with, but they can, right? Arrest them all, I say!

If people think that it's just fine to put a sexual deviant in jail for 27 years for just having the tools to commit a crime, then gun owners are just as guilty for being murderers as they have the tools.

This guy should have got a reasonable sentance of a year or so for the material he collected. And then been sent to a mental health care institution to pass a judgement on if he is sane and controlled enough to be a free man. If he wasn't he should be given treatment to help him become a person with self control. (It seems more and more likely that you can't treat people for their sexual nature.)

[desertdude]

I think everyone is forgetting a very crucial point here

$1:

He pleaded guilty to possession and distribution of child pornography, and solicitation to commit a crime of violence.

Distribution of kiddie porn in itself is much more serious crime punishable with lenghtier sentences, just like drug possession is less severe crime than distribution and to top of it all off, solicitation to commit a crime of violence in this case it would be the kidnap of a child and murder. Just that alone in itself carries very harsh penalties.

So I'm guessing 27 years is justified in this case.

[PluggyRug]

desertdude desertdude:

I think everyone is forgetting a very crucial point here

$1:

He pleaded guilty to possession and distribution of child pornography, and solicitation to commit a crime of violence.

Distribution of kiddie porn in itself is much more serious crime punishable with lenghtier sentences, just like drug possession is less severe crime than distribution and to top of it all off, solicitation to commit a crime of violence in this case it would be the kidnap of a child and murder. Just that alone in itself carries very harsh penalties.

So I'm guessing 27 years is justified in this case.

Concur.

[llama66]

Brenda Brenda:

At this point, it still is. It has not been turned into reality.

Because he was caught before he could spring his plan into action.

[Thanos]

Nothing illegal about the authorities pre-empting a conspiracy to commit a vile crime. This isn't some Orwellian thought-crime being punished, it's engagement in actual crime that was punished. It's no different than being caught with burglary tools in your possession. Just having them is punishable under the law, even if a burglary with them wasn't yet committed.

I can live comfortably with the knowledge that this monster is going to be rotting in prison, and hopefully dying there at the hands of the other inmates if things go well, and that some innocent children didn't die an agonizing and horrible death at his hands. His lawyer's, and anyone else's, rants about his civil rights mean absolutely nothing to me at all. To tell the truth I'm fucking sick and tired of all the ridiculous and burnt-out references to George Orwell, 1984, or Minority Report every time the authorities use advanced technology, surveillance, and toughened-up laws to stop some bastard from committing evil. My sympathies lie with the real victims, not with non-human slime like this. Hopefully the 1960's will actually come to an end one day and the justice system will no longer be caught up in the unending stupidity that the rights of the criminal are the most important consideration in the process. Any pity or concern for this particular hellspawn is wildly, wildly misplaced.

[llama66]

Thanos Thanos:

Nothing illegal about the authorities pre-empting a conspiracy to commit a vile crime. This isn't some Orwellian thought-crime being punished, it's engagement in actual crime that was punished. It's no different than being caught with burglary tools in your possession. Just having them is punishable under the law, even if a burglary with them wasn't yet committed.

I can live comfortably with the knowledge that this monster is going to be rotting in prison, and hopefully dying there at the hands of the other inmates if things go well, and that some innocent children didn't die an agonizing and horrible death at his hands. His lawyer's, and anyone else's, rants about his civil rights mean absolutely nothing to me at all. To tell the truth I'm fucking sick and tired of all the ridiculous and burnt-out references to George Orwell, 1984, or Minority Report every time the authorities use advanced technology, surveillance, and toughened-up laws to stop some bastard from committing evil. My sympathies lie with the real victims, not with non-human slime like this. Hopefully the 1960's will actually come to an end one day and the justice system will no longer be caught up in the unending stupidity that the rights of the criminal being are the most important consideration in the process. Any pity or concern for this particular hellspawn is wildly, wildly misplaced.

[Xort]

desertdude desertdude:

Distribution of kiddie porn in itself is much more serious crime punishable with lenghtier sentences, just like drug possession is less severe crime than distribution and to top of it all off, solicitation to commit a crime of violence in this case it would be the kidnap of a child and murder. Just that alone in itself carries very harsh penalties.

Distribution is as simple as having a torrent upload some data.

I don't see it as being much more serious. I think that if he was reselling it, which was likely the intent of the law when it was created, that would be a more serious crime.

If a drug user has a large amount of drugs and shares them for free, is that not totally different than someone that is out selling drugs for profit?

As for solicitation, have you never spitballed an idea to commit a crime?

Thanos Thanos:

*snip*

Your words have just been judged to be a crime, not a thought crime but a real one. Just having writen those words is a real crime.

~

At best the 'I'm planning to commit a crime' should carry at most a fraction of the actual crimes punishment.

[llama66]

Mere possession of Child Porn is illegal, why don't you understand that?

No most normal people don't 'spitball' the idea to abduct, rape, murder and eat a child to another person.

your an idiot.