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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am
 


Title: Electric cars could boost CO2 emissions in some provinces
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Posted By: Regina
Date: 2015-03-24 11:37:56
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am
 


Tree huggers are fucking the enviroment. Electric always sounds good but unless it's generated by Nucular power or hydro dams, the foot print is bigger than gas burning engines.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:53 am
 


We really don't sell a lot of them anyways here in Canada as they are quite expensive still.

Even so, the Chevy Volt was a blast to drive.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:55 am
 


Regina wrote:
Tree huggers are fucking the enviroment.


Not true! Recently, greenhouse gas emissions had been in direct relation to economic activity stopped following that trend. That probably means that renewable energy is starting to effect emissions without a hit to economic development.

Regina wrote:
Electric always sounds good but unless it's generated by Nucular power or hydro dams, the foot print is bigger than gas burning engines.


Or solar or wind . . ;) New England is seeing a 40% drop in electricity prices from a new offshore wind farm. I'd like a 40% drop in my electric bill!

While I'm all about the nuclear, it doesn't switch output during peak usage hours as quickly as we need it to. Renewables + batteries, or something like a molten salt generator could make a difference with this.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:16 pm
 


Regina wrote:
Tree huggers are fucking the enviroment. Electric always sounds good but unless it's generated by Nucular power or hydro dams, the foot print is bigger than gas burning engines.



That's not exactly what the article says.

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In Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia...generate much of their electricity by burning coal, so consuming more electricity – by charging your electric car battery, for instance – significantly boosts carbon emissions.

... However, in the rest of Canada, driving an electric car is the greener choice, he found.


...The carbon emissions from electricity generation are measured in tonnes of CO2 emitted per gigawatt hour of electricity produced. That ranges from:

Close to 0 for hydroelectric, nuclear and renewable energy.
500 to 600 for natural gas power plants.
1,000 for coal-fired power plants.

For a given country or province, if average emissions were under 600 tonnes of CO2 per gigawatt hour, then switching from conventional to electric cars, buses and trucks will lead to a reduction in carbon emissions,


The problem isn't electric cars or "tree huggers", the problem as the article clearly states, is the continued archaic practice of burning coal in those 3 provinces. Even in a 100% Natural Gas grid there would likely be a benefit from electric cars.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:20 pm
 


I was kind of joking about the tree huggers but not all electricity is good and clean. Solar and wind are also good for the environment as far as production but the costs here are still not in line or even close. There's also the power storage aspect to that which should be taken into consideration.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:26 pm
 


I don't understand why Alberta and Saskatchewan aren't littered with more wind farms. It's not like they have to worry about the wind going away.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:53 pm
 


Electric vehicles just make you 'feel' good but generally all you are doing is offsetting your carbon footprint to the overall CO2 emissions. Until we stop burning coal for power, and in today's low methane gas costs, there is no reason why we should be burning coal.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:41 pm
 


There must be more progress that can be made with solar. I remember my solar-powered calculator as a kid and my plans to glue about sixty thousand of those onto a towncar.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:41 pm
 


Yeah. This isn't news to me. Electric cars are coal-fired cars in a lot of places.


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Public_Domain wrote:
There must be more progress that can be made with solar. I remember my solar-powered calculator as a kid and my plans to glue about sixty thousand of those onto a towncar.


That might power the windows on a Town Car.

BTW, Do they have a latch on the INSIDE of the trunk?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:19 pm
 


Jabberwalker wrote:

BTW, Do they have a latch on the INSIDE of the trunk (of a Lincoln Town Car)?


The new ones do but it's easily removed with wire cutters. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:02 pm
 


So the point seems to be that electric cars are great, but some places maked dirty electricity.
Solar, wind, tidal, geothermal. How much power can the Bay of Fundy alone generate?
To hell with storage batteries, pump water uphill, store it and then run it back through 24/7 generators.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:47 pm
 


Canadian_Mind wrote:
I don't understand why Alberta and Saskatchewan aren't littered with more wind farms. It's not like they have to worry about the wind going away.


I don't know why Saskatchewan doesn't have much, but Alberta is ranked third in wind power.

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http://canwea.ca/wind-energy/installed-capacity/


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:35 am
 


uwish wrote:
Electric vehicles just make you 'feel' good but generally all you are doing is offsetting your carbon footprint to the overall CO2 emissions. Until we stop burning coal for power, and in today's low methane gas costs, there is no reason why we should be burning coal.

Price. Coal has become rather cheap since it's become less popular.


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