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Title: Three Amigos talks: Support for NAFTA weak among Canadians ahead of summit, poll says
Category: Business
Posted By: shockedcanadian
Date: 2016-06-27 08:24:07
Canadian

[shockedcanadian]

3 out of 4 Canadian feel it is best we trade with one another rather than the largest consumer in the world, they also want to see the horse and buggy industry grow again. Maybe if we had a free market that allowed innovation, creativity and competition, some of these people would understand its value. If anyone needs to renegotiate NAFTA it's the U.S not Canada, we've been stabbing them in the back for decades.

Respect needs to be given to President Obama for not coming to Canada until Wednesday even though Mexico President Nieto is already here. I think the message is getting through to the U.S government, you have to know which allies you can trust and who you can't. I know I have done my part to convey the facts. America needs to spend time and resources on free markets that value rule of law and liberty before "other" countries...

Trudeau has a steep uphill climb, I hope he takes the right steps to put this country back on track, accountability should be priority number one.

[BartSimpson]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Trudeau has a steep uphill climb, I hope he takes the right steps to put this country back on track, accountability should be priority number one.

With Trudeau he's likely to pull out of NAFTA and join the EU.

[andyt]

Well, unless Trump pulls out first. But then with his small hands, who would notice?

[shockedcanadian]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Trudeau has a steep uphill climb, I hope he takes the right steps to put this country back on track, accountability should be priority number one.

With Trudeau he's likely to pull out of NAFTA and join the EU.

Canada is not likely to leave NAFTA, forced out? Maybe. Considering how dishonest Canada has been, America wouldn't lose a dime.

The police in Canada has done what they have always done, engaged in vengeful, selfish tactics for agency benefit at the expense of the Canadian economy and democratic reputation. TPP and other agreements will not be any different unless there are strong accountability mechanisms and whistleblower protections.

Maybe Bob Paulson and Vince Hawes can start an investment fund and really drive the Canadian economy...

[raydan]

andyt andyt:

Well, unless Trump pulls out first. But then with his small hands, who would notice?

His father should have pulled out.

[BartSimpson]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Canada is not likely to leave NAFTA, forced out? Maybe. Considering how dishonest Canada has been, America wouldn't lose a dime.

The USA hasn't been very good, either. TransCanada is filing a claim against the US for US$15 billion due to the Obongo Administration's illegal rejection of the Keystone Pipeline even after it had satisfied US regulatory requirements.

[shockedcanadian]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Canada is not likely to leave NAFTA, forced out? Maybe. Considering how dishonest Canada has been, America wouldn't lose a dime.

The USA hasn't been very good, either. TransCanada is filing a claim against the US for US$15 billion due to the Obongo Administration's illegal rejection of the Keystone Pipeline even after it had satisfied US regulatory requirements.

When American operatives are entering Canadian companies, spreading hatred for Canadian citizens (thus, endangering them as we now know how ISIS works) and pushing for a union at a major company in which no labour strife exists, than get back to me.

Or maybe Canada will just raise the GDP contributions to NATO to the 2% amount we agreed to. That would be a good start.

I'm the messenger who is proof in the pudding. Canada cannot be trusted, and I'm guessing that this will continue no matter how hard certain International agencies tout our nation as some progressive, environmentally friendly, socialist utopia.

[herbie]

26 million Canadians aren't too supportive of NAFTA
And ONE because Canada is the bad guy.
All righty then.......

[shockedcanadian]

herbie herbie:

26 million Canadians aren't too supportive of NAFTA
And ONE because Canada is the bad guy.
All righty then.......

I support NAFTA as long as all nations involved uphold their obligations. If violations are overt and obvious, there are mechanisms to sue the offending nation. What about when violations are covert and systemic?

Undermining a nations security AND economic pursuits, while at the same time treating citizens rights with disdain is not something a democratic nation can hang it's hat on. Especially when it relies on that relationship for so much of it's economic engine.

Yeah, quite clear Canada cannot be trusted. No consequences for agencies like the RCMP and their surrogates in Canada means real consequences for the Canadian economy.

[Canadian_Mind]

Fuck I wish I invested in a glue factory before ShockedCanadian discovered he could do more with it than just glue his face to his ass.

Seeing as how petitions are all the rage right now, should we get a "leave NAFTA" petition going? CKA had enough online pull to sabotage the first international monopoly board, maybe we could do something useful with our limited influence?

[shockedcanadian]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Fuck I wish I invested in a glue factory before ShockedCanadian discovered he could do more with it than just glue his face to his ass.

Seeing as how petitions are all the rage right now, should we get a "leave NAFTA" petition going? CKA had enough online pull to sabotage the first international monopoly board, maybe we could do something useful with our limited influence?

I'm supportive of free trade, appears Canadian authorities aren't.

[Thanos]

You think businesses and the financial sector twats care about anything except getting regular revenue from their investments? We could have all our export products built by slave labour and execute all the rabble-rousers we could catch and the shareholders outside the country would care less about it happening in Canada the same way they do about it happening in Sri Lanka or Indonesia. Seriously, where do you get this silly crap that we're some kind of den of perpetual darkness and the oh-so-moral financial geniuses in places like New York find us too immoral to deal with?

[shockedcanadian]

Thanos Thanos:

You think businesses and the financial sector twats care about anything except getting regular revenue from their investments? We could have all our export products built by slave labour and execute all the rabble-rousers we could catch and the shareholders outside the country would care less about it happening in Canada the same way they do about it happening in Sri Lanka or Indonesia. Seriously, where do you get this silly crap that we're some kind of den of perpetual darkness and the oh-so-moral financial geniuses in places like New York find us too immoral to deal with?

Countries advise their investors and businesses accordingly. All countries will naturally encourage and engage in trade and business investment in nations they share common values with and trust. It's the reason there are sanctions for some countries and investment in others. It starts first and foremost with basic human right values, rule of law, due process, fair treatment of citizens. Americans risk their lives every year to protect these rights. The protections of civil liberties is an extremely important source of pride.

Investment agents will invest anywhere on behalf of shareholders, but, what investment opportunities existed last year might not exist this year. This can occur because of a change in a legally binding agreement or it can change due to geopolitical concerns and human right abuses. Furthermore, as a function of particular activities, certain investment vehicles will not look as attractive. Free markets will always be superior to interventionalist markets.

I have been a firm believe in the free market and a proponent of trade agreements and if all countries maintained their commitments all would go well. Canada has regularly defied these obligations. Many overt abuses have resulted in lawsuits which in and of itself is troubling, the covert is what I am exposing to U.S politicians and lawmakers.

Knowing what I know now, I can understand why both presidential candidates have expressed a disdain for such trade agreements, at the very least they want excessively "better terms". They rightfully believe they are being mistreated. One doesn't like NAFTA the other doesn't like the TPP. Both deals are vital to Canadian interests. My suggestion is that there are stronger protections for whistle blowers and even more consequences for lack of accountability and violations of said agreements. If the RCMP and their surrogate agencies won't change, our allies will. Canadian politicians will eventually receive the message, let's hope the economic costs aren't too steep before then.

[JaredMilne]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Canada is not likely to leave NAFTA, forced out? Maybe. Considering how dishonest Canada has been, America wouldn't lose a dime.

The police in Canada has done what they have always done, engaged in vengeful, selfish tactics for agency benefit at the expense of the Canadian economy and democratic reputation. TPP and other agreements will not be any different unless there are strong accountability mechanisms and whistleblower protections.

Maybe Bob Paulson and Vince Hawes can start an investment fund and really drive the Canadian economy...

The problem with NAFTA is...Canada?

Really???

I suppose it's our fault that NAFTA was fucking worthless in the softwood lumber dispute, to the extent that the Americans refused to adhere to its rulings and we ended up caving in to them with a half-cocked "agreement"?

And it was our fault that NAFTA was worthless when those pricks in R-CALF kept trying to keep the border closed to our beef even after we were addressing the mad cow issue?

Oh, and I suppose the proportionality clause in NAFTA, under which we surrendered our ability to manage our own domestic energy supplies in event of a crisis, is our problem too?

How about the amount of foreign ownership buying up and hollowing out our economy, to the point that even many conservative pundits, politicians and businesspeople are starting to be alarmed?

Or the unelected, unaccountable trade bureaucrats that have no Constitutional mandate to do what they do, or Constitutional checks on their power like the ones that restrict Canadian judges?

Quebec exercises its lawful constitutional powers over natural resources to ban fracking, and an oil company sues. Eli Lilly is butthurt that our case law on patents is different than the U.S.'s, and they sue.

No, no, this is all Canada's fault.

Seriously dude, where are you even getting your claims about Canadian police agencies engaging in "vengeful, selfish" tactics, anyway?