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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:06 am
 


Zip said it nicer than I was about to. :evil:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:10 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Canada's supply management policy is fine and dandy for Canada. But the fact of the matter is that all we see on the US side of the border are the astronomical tariffs.

And like I've said before what Canada needs to do is to start dismantling the tax and regulatory structures that make your industries noncompetitive with those of the US or the EU.

Maybe you can't match us on subsidies but you can offset that advantage by making it easier for your farmers and ranchers to prosper. Mexico is absolutely kicking our asses on all sorts of farm products and they don't subsidize a damned thing. AND all of the imported food from Mexico is meeting US sanitary standards. :idea:

No reason Canada can't do the same thing.


Canada needs to start paying Mexican wages? Fuck You!

The US socialist system subsidizes 40% of your farmers income. Pardon us for telling you to shove all that socialist cheese somewhere else.

Our tax structures and whatever else your blabbing about aren't the problem.

Spin it however you want, we aren't buying.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:39 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
And if people keep dying from raw vegetables, how is that meeting any sanitary standard?


Hate to tell you but our worst food-borne threats to life have come from produce grown in Salinas, California and Yuma, Arizona.

Mexico allows the use of pesticides that we don't allow but the result is that their overall food safety is pretty good. And I'm saying this only after having been schooled on the topic by one of my farmer friends in Yolo County.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:44 am
 


Robair Robair:
Canada needs to start paying Mexican wages? Fuck You!


I didn't say that.

Robair Robair:
The US socialist system subsidizes 40% of your farmers income. Pardon us for telling you to shove all that socialist cheese somewhere else.

Our tax structures and whatever else your blabbing about aren't the problem.

Spin it however you want, we aren't buying.


You and the rest of the peanut gallery here should also stop and take note that I have long objected to taxpayer subsidies for any industry for the simple reason that they tend to stifle innovation. And I like lower taxes.

And I don't like subsidizing the stockholders for the two or three major food conglomerates that control the majority of the US food supply.

It's also time to note that Trump offered to lower US tariffs to zero for any country that does the same for us.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:48 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
It's also time to note that Trump offered to lower US tariffs to zero for any country that does the same for us.
Trump says a lot of things.

I doubt there's any steak behind that sizzle.

Oh, and that doesn't solve the dairy imbalance which would result from us dropping tariffs.

The US would have to turf the subsidies.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:00 am
 


Robair Robair:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
It's also time to note that Trump offered to lower US tariffs to zero for any country that does the same for us.
Trump says a lot of things.

I doubt there's any steak behind that sizzle.

Oh, and that doesn't solve the dairy imbalance which would result from us dropping tariffs.

The US would have to turf the subsidies.


I suspect Trump is eventually going to cut ag subsidies regardless of our trade agreements so this may end up being moot in another year or so.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/farm-su ... rried.html

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Trump budget proposal has many US farmers reeling

The White House has proposed cutting $38 billion in subsidies to farmers.
Crop insurance alone faces a $28 billion cut in the Trump proposal.
Commodity prices have plunged since 2014, hitting farmers' bottom lines.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:13 am
 


I reiterate my statement, Trump wants us to lower our Tariffs, he needs to reduce his tariffs on our steel and aluminium first.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:38 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
+5 for being the only person so far to actually ready my comment and comprehend it without jumping to a totally emotional conclusion.
We shouldn't have to like your leader to not be treated like shit. That's not how allies work.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:19 pm
 


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
+5 for being the only person so far to actually ready my comment and comprehend it without jumping to a totally emotional conclusion.


We shouldn't have to like your leader to not be treated like shit. That's not how allies work.


The converse of this is that we should not be treated like shit because you don't like who we voted for as our leader.

Yet since November 9, 2016 I've been treated like shit by too many people because of who I voted for as my President.

Some of those people are on this very site and lately some of them react to my every post with a seething and frothing hatred that's frequently accompanied by deeply personal insults.

Bootlegga, while not supporting my comment, at least bothered to stop for a moment and comprehend what I wrote instead of going off on some knee-jerk tantrum against me.

Thus we get to the topic of allies.

While Canada and the USA are still allies it is very clear that JT and DJT are not.

And JT is of a mindset that it's okay to insult, mock, and ridicule President Trump because it's fashionable to do so in fashionable circles. And that's fine if he's a late night talk show host working the cocktail party circuit.

But not when he's the leader of Canada and trying to maintain access to the US market for Canadian goods.

There's a huge downside for JT and Canada if there's a trade war. Canada now depends on US trade dollars while Canadian exports to the US can be replaced by domestic production now that we have a President who wants to restore our manufacturing sector and the supporting industries of mining, lumber, coal, and oil.

For President Trump there's nothing but an upside for him as he picks up union votes by repatriating union jobs to the USA. Even if the economy takes a hit he'll still be ever more popular as domestic production ramps up to serve the domestic market.

I know this grates on you and I'm sorry for this.

But the realities of the imbalances in our trade relationship are not so much reflected by the bad relationship between our leaders but by the lines of Canadians crossing the border and filling up their tanks at Costco and filling up their vehicles with dairy, clothing, and etc.

Not to mention the Canadians who've managed to make a living smuggling fucking cheese across the border.

If anything is indicative of an aberration in the market it's a black market and when your black market is cheese you're doing it wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:32 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I suspect Trump is eventually going to cut ag subsidies regardless of our trade agreements so this may end up being moot in another year or so.

That article didn't mention dairy (or I missed it). Looks like it's talking about grain farmers mostly.

But when dairy subsidies are cut, it would be appropriate for a corresponding reduction in dairy tariffs.

That's not what Trump is doing though is it? He's creating a sound bite about evil tariffs not bothering to convey why those tariffs are necessary in the first place.

Why the fuck would Canada just drop supply management when there's a huge surplus next door that is being sold for less than the cost of production?
Does Trump really expect us to eat that?
Does trump really believe supply management in Canada is the cause of dairy problems in the US?

Or is he just looking for an easy bad guy to sell to his supporters?


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

And JT is of a mindset that it's okay to insult, mock, and ridicule President Trump because it's fashionable to do so in fashionable circles. And that's fine if he's a late night talk show host working the cocktail party circuit.
Can you provide one example of this?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:35 pm
 


I think his eventual plan is to do an austerity budget and to start tackling the national debt. I expect that every subsidy will be on the chopping block, Social Security pensions and Federal pensions will be ended as we know them, and no end of Federal welfare subsidies will be slashed or eliminated.

That's all much easier to do if we don't have a trade imbalance. Therefore trade and domestic job creation have to come first.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:39 pm
 


Robair Robair:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:

And JT is of a mindset that it's okay to insult, mock, and ridicule President Trump because it's fashionable to do so in fashionable circles. And that's fine if he's a late night talk show host working the cocktail party circuit.
Can you provide one example of this?


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/97 ... e-g7summit


‘LAUGHABLE’ Macron and Trudeau mock Trump as USA attempts to justify trade war


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:48 pm
 


Bart, my issue lies not with you, but with the idea the JT has somehow been disrespectful.

I liken this to you and I have a disagreement, and you punch me in the face. I return the favour and punch you back. Then some one asks if I'm going to apologise, of course I'm going to say not until you aplogise first. You get mad when you hear that I wont apologise for me punching you in response for punching me and you decide that you and your buddies call me a back stabber, all because I wont apologise first.

There is a better way.

It upsets me you elected DJT but that is your sovereign right as an American. I don't hold you responsible for his actions. I don't attack you for your beliefs.

But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned for my country with DJT at the helm. Isolationism scares the shit out of me. Most of my fear is irrational, I get that, but I still can't get over what *might* happen. Irrational as it is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:54 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/97 ... e-g7summit


‘LAUGHABLE’ Macron and Trudeau mock Trump as USA attempts to justify trade war


If you read the article, you'd see that nobody mocked Trump.

The only one that's doing anything of sort is Trump himself by calling JT names over Twitter as he's not man enough to do it face-to-face.


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