[PublicAnimalNo9]

peck420 peck420:

How are you three (PA9, Martin, Bart) not Oilers fans?

A very serious question?

Hey, I'm not exactly thrilled with the stance Trump has taken but I'm also not willing to give Turd-boy in Ottawa a free pass just because he's Canada's PM. He and Freeland completely screwed the pooch on the NAFTA re-negotiations.
They acted like petulant children when Trump told them to shove their ideological nonsense and couldn't get their way and are now whining about Trump acting like a petulant child who isn't getting his way. Seriously, how the fuck are you not seeing it?
Were you unaware of the initial bad faith position Trudeau took? Or are you simply a politician's favourite kind of voter? One with no memory.

Read the link I posted.

It's not a big deal to re-negotiate a trade agreement that's been in place for years. Things change over time and trade agreements need to change with them. But when you enter those re-negotiations from a bad faith position right off the hop, when you try to force your ideology onto another country via an existing trade agreement, you're obviously not serious about re-negotiating. Something the Canadian media was quite willing to criticize Trudeau for. It's funny too because when you go to search for Canadian media accounts of it now, they're f*cking buried in an avalanche of anti-Trump tirades by media outlets who suddenly forgot what a twit Trudeau is because their insatiable desire to push the anti-Trump narrative is just so much stronger.

I swear, Trump could personally cure cancer tomorrow and the bleating morons would decry the loss of jobs in cancer research.

$1:

Trudeau told reporters that imposing retaliatory measures “is not something I relish doing” but that he wouldn’t hesitate to do so because “I will always protect Canadian workers and Canadian interests.”

Except when it comes to the Chinese. Just more duplicity from the little Turd.

[Sunnyways]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In the unconfirmed chatter department a group of my West Point friends on Saturday said that they were going to be taking Polish language classes. One of them made the informed speculation that several US bases in Germany and also in Turkey were likely going to be repositioned to Poland, Hungary, and Romania. Possibly as soon as 2024.

Fine. That’s where they should be.

[BartSimpson]

Seems the USA is also going to index tariffs on our NATO allies in order to offset what the US spends on their defense if they are not meeting their obligations under the Atlantic Charter.

[BartSimpson]

I'm also hearing that Trump was more than a little pissed off with the G7 meeting being hijacked by global warming discussions as opposed to focusing on the more immediate issues of trade and defense.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

The reason Canada needs supply management and needed the wheat board, is it can't match the agricultural subsidies the US and Europe dish out.

There is no way America is going to suddenly drop AG subsidies. So it's more than a little unfair to ask Canada to stop supply management.

You are right, it's not going to happen.

So, seriously, it's nothing to worry about.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Funny thing is if our markets end up being effectively closed to imports then the argument for subsidies dies and Congress will be under considerable pressure from both sides of the political spectrum to end the subsidies.

Sorry, too many vested interests in the EU, US, and Canada for this to stop.

llama66 llama66:

That would lead to a Pyrrhic victory for the US at best. You buy Canadian Oil at discount, and you buy Canadian electricity for that matter, were you to tariff the incoming oil, I'm sure that discount would end and you'd pay full price.

I'm sorry, but those discounts are negotiated by the Americans, not us.
You know, cuz no pipelines. We have no other customer for them.

$1:

What needs to happen is both countries need to put the childishness aside and sit down and come up with a way to end this stupidity.

llama66 llama66:

In the words of the west...

Meh.
Maritimes and Quebec can still get their Saudi oil, no probs.
Maybe cheaper than the ROC.

[Tricks]

Is it a national security interest to make an enemy of everyone?

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm also hearing that Trump was more than a little pissed off with the G7 meeting being hijacked by global warming discussions as opposed to focusing on the more immediate issues of trade and defense.

Good.
Been waiting years.
Was hoping Trump would walk into the meeting and just say 'I'll be ready to talk
when the rest of you make a public commitment to 2% GDP on defense within 2 years, right now.
Until then, piss off.'

Kinda sad he didn't.

[Thanos]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In the unconfirmed chatter department a group of my West Point friends on Saturday said that they were going to be taking Polish language classes. One of them made the informed speculation that several US bases in Germany and also in Turkey were likely going to be repositioned to Poland, Hungary, and Romania. Possibly as soon as 2024.

Fine. That’s where they should be.

With Trump in charge the question is if those bases are going to be used as part of NATO's obligation to defend Europe against Russia or if Trump's plan is to use them as forward operating bases to intimidate/invade Europe on behalf of Putin.

There is no treachery that the current American president, and his lickspittle cultist followers, aren't capable of committing. Anyone who drops their guard against the present American leadership is just asking for it.

[llama66]

For the record, I too think there was a lot frivolous shit in the NAFTA renegotiations from Canada's end. I'm not at all a fan of virtue signalling.

However it doesn't excuse the President or the White House from acting in the disrespectful manner they have.

The President is upset because we're not backing off our threat of tariffs come July 1? This is in RESPONSE to his tariffs, it only makes sense that his come down first.

He wants us to open our borders to US agricultural products, that would mean the end of thousands of farmers livelihoods. I grew up on a farm in Southern Ontario, we had goats. Dad sold goats milk in addition to selling some Wheat and Barley. The government ended protection on goat dairy and we almost lost the farm because European goats milk was cheaper. We had to slaughter the entire heard, 216 goats in all. Dad was able to sell almost all the land to a neighbour--at a loss. The land had been in our family for over a hundred years.

We open our dairy and agriculture to US markets it will affect thousands of family farms across Canada.

[BartSimpson]

$1:

Larry Kudlow, President Trump’s Director of the National Economic Council, must have drawn the short straw because he was the designated defender of Trump’s withdrawal from the G7 communique on Sunday morning political chat shows. I watched him being interviewed on Jake Tapper’s CNN show State of the Union and on CBS’s Face the Nation. He came off both articulate and consistent in his criticism of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s performance during a post-G7 press conference Saturday.

Kudlow is right to speak out about Trudeau’s display of poor judgment. Trudeau is not exactly known for his own stellar decision-making skills. You may recall his trip to India last February when he was soundly ridiculed for traipsing about with his family decked out in traditional Indian garments. He looked ridiculous. Then a man convicted of an attempted assassination (and sent to prison) of an Indian state cabinet minister while in Vancouver in 1986, Jaspal Atwal, showed up posing for a photo with Trudeau’s wife in Mumbai. The British Columbia resident is said to be a former member of an extremist Sikh group banned as a terrorist organization. Then it became known that Atwal was on the guest list for a reception during the visit. Needless to say, after the press noticed and asked questions, the man’s invitation was rescinded. Awkward. What is it with liberals and convicted terrorists, anyway?

So Kudlow hit the airwaves to talk about Trump’s decision to not endorse the communique coming out of the G7 Summit though originally he agreed to sign off on it, joining with the 6 other leaders present. Trudeau decided to slam Trump behind his back to the press after Trump’s early departure Saturday. A casual observer would have known that such a stunt would end badly. Trump turned his back on the communique and on we go. Kudlow is left to pick up the pieces and explain the administration’s position. In short, it boils down to this: don’t try to publicly humiliate President Trump because it will not end well for you. Didn’t Trudeau see any of Trump’s campaign in 2016? The guy bragged about punching back harder than his opponents punch him. Trump loves the fight.

“He really kind of stabbed us in the back,” Kudlow said on CNN’s “State of the Union,” referring to Trudeau. He described Trudeau’s news conference as “sophomoric” and a “political stunt.”

“It’s a betrayal. It’s essentially double-crossing. Not just double-crossing President Trump, but other members of the G-7,” Kudlow said.

Kudlow is a media-savvy guy, like Trump. Kudlow, besides being a successful businessman, hosted his own financial show on CNBC. Like Trump, Kudlow contributed to Democrats in the past. He became involved in conservative politics and joined the Reagan administration. He promotes free trade, banning tariffs, and eliminating subsidies. And the last thing Trump is going to allow is any sign of weakness as he goes into the summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, Kudlow said.

“POTUS is not gonna let a Canadian prime minister push him around,” Kudlow said. “He is not going to permit any show of weakness on the trip.”

Tapper picked up on the implication and said this was about North Korea.

“Of course it was, in large part,” Kudlow said. “Kim must not see American weakness.”

It’s all about showing toughness. Peter Navarro, White House trade adviser, doubled down on Kudlow’s statements with one of his own. “All Trudeau had to do was take the win.”

“There’s a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad-faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door. And that’s what bad-faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference,” said Navarro told “Fox News Sunday.”

Trump was doing Trudeau a favor by coming to Quebec for the G7 when he “had bigger things on his plate” with the North Korean summit.

“All Justin Trudeau had to do was take the win,” Navarro said. “He did him a favor and he was even willing to sign that socialist communique and what did Trudeau do as soon as the plane took off from Canadian airspace? Trudeau stuck our president in the back and that will not stand.”

Kudlow wants an apology from Trudeau to Trump on behalf of the other G7 allies. I’m not holding my breath on that one.

“He ought to come out and apologize in the name of the western allies,” Kudlow said of Trudeau. “He ought to come out today and wish President Trump well in the negotiations instead of taking pot shots at him.”

And, so it goes. On to Singapore.

[Thanos]

llama66 llama66:

We open our dairy and agriculture to US markets it will affect thousands of family farms across Canada.

They don't care in the slightest. They want to do to Canada what they did to Mexico after NAFTA was first signed, in that the Mexican agricultural economy was effectively destroyed because it couldn't compete with the massively-subsidized American farm products that suddenly flooded Mexico. If they can't destroy a country militarily, as they did to Vietnam and Iraq, they'll do it economically. And that's either through the loud boisterous way they did to the Cubans for the unforgivable "crime" of kicking the Mafia out of their country, or they'll do it the quiet way through a one-sided trade deal like the one that victimized Mexico. And on top of it they're such a bunch of fucking snowflakes that they'll endlessly spout how they're the "real victims" in all of this.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

The government ended protection on goat dairy and we almost lost the farm because European goats milk was cheaper.

You're looking at tariffs to protect your market and you're missing the real problem.

You need to be asking why Canada has a business climate so bad that it's significantly cheaper to import a product from socialist Europe than it is to just use a similar domestic product?

You need to be asking your politicians to make your markets more competitive and not just mask systemic problems with subsidies and tariffs.

I say that because Trump is systematically tearing apart layer after layer of leftist-sponsored regulations and tax schemes and the result has been unexpected economic growth as our industries rebound from what have been truly self-inflicted wounds.

[llama66]

The president and his band of school yard bullies are in for a rude awakening if they think that's happening.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

llama66 llama66:

We open our dairy and agriculture to US markets it will affect thousands of family farms across Canada.

They don't care in the slightest. They want to do to Canada what they did to Mexico after NAFTA was first signed, in that the Mexican agricultural economy was effectively destroyed because it couldn't compete with the massively-subsidized American farm products that suddenly flooded Mexico. If they can't destroy a country militarily, as they did to Vietnam and Iraq, they'll do it economically. And that's either through the loud boisterous way they did to the Cubans for the unforgivable "crime" of kicking the Mafia out of their country, or they'll do it the quiet way through a one-sided trade deal like the one that victimized Mexico. And on top of it they're such a bunch of fucking snowflakes that they'll endlessly spout how they're the "real victims" in all of this.

Actual facts do not comport with your unfounded rant.

$1:

The United States remains Mexico's principal agricultural trading partner, receiving almost 80 percent of Mexico's total exports. The balance of trade now favors Mexico. Specifically, Mexico exported a record USD 23.8 billion worth of agricultural products to the U.S. in 2016. Sep 16, 2017

https://www.export.gov/article?id=Mexico-Agriculture

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

The government ended protection on goat dairy and we almost lost the farm because European goats milk was cheaper.

You're looking at tariffs to protect your market and you're missing the real problem.

You need to be asking why Canada has a business climate so bad that it's significantly cheaper to import a product from socialist Europe than it is to just use a similar domestic product?

You need to be asking your politicians to make your markets more competitive and not just mask systemic problems with subsidies and tariffs.

I say that because Trump is systematically tearing apart layer after layer of leftist-sponsored regulations and tax schemes and the result has been unexpected economic growth as our industries rebound from what have been truly self-inflicted wounds.

Maybe you are right, but I don't think flooding the market with cheap American dairy is going to help that farmer in Plattsville.