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Title: What we know about the new USMCA trade deal
Category: Political
Posted By: Strutz
Date: 2018-10-01 10:15:35
Canadian

[Strutz]

Goodbye NAFTA

Hello USMCA

[martin14]

Strutz Strutz:

Goodbye NAFTA

Hello USMCA

Take out the 'S' and we can sing it.

[Strutz]

martin14 martin14:

Strutz Strutz:

Goodbye NAFTA

Hello USMCA

Take out the 'S' and we can sing it.

In the CBC comments section someone points out that instead of "US" it should be "Yankee" so that the deal would be called YMCA.

Guaranteed that someone will come up with a parody on it.

[Thanos]

So how much did we lose by? When does our Sudetenland get officially transferred over to the bastards? Do we get an official scroll rubber-stamped by all the signing parties to confirm our second-class status, to acknowledge us spreading our cheeks in order to make America great again?

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

So how much did we lose by? When does our Sudetenland get officially transferred over to the bastards?

It doesn't sound too bad. Pretty much as expected. A little more percentage on Dairy than we were set to give up under TPP. And the steel and aluminium tariffs remain, as does 'buy america'.

But we get guarantees on no tariffs on cars, and all the things we expected; like Chapter 19, cultural exemptions we keep. And it looks like Chapter 12 is no more, so no more craziness like UPS can't sue Canada Post for lost income.

We didn't back down on the things we wanted, and we got them.

[peck420]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

We didn't back down on the things we wanted, and we got them.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Dropping this today was a major mistake by Trudeau. If we do actually have an agreement in principal, I doubt the US or Mexico would have cared if the announcement was delayed by one day.

The current agreement is already being sold as sacrificing Quebec for Ontario.

Doesn't matter if that is true or not, the optics are brutal, and Trudeau should have known better.

[Coach85]

peck420 peck420:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

We didn't back down on the things we wanted, and we got them.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Dropping this today was a major mistake by Trudeau. If we do actually have an agreement in principal, I doubt the US or Mexico would have cared if the announcement was delayed by one day.

The current agreement is already being sold as sacrificing Quebec for Ontario.

Doesn't matter if that is true or not, the optics are brutal, and Trudeau should have known better.

Not sure how the optics are brutal. Every deal has concessions. This is about Canada, not only Quebec...so they can fuck right off with their perpetual whining nonsense.

[DrCaleb]

I do like that they perpetuate the stereotype that they are pompous asses, in that they had to change the name of the agreement to put themselves first.

[llama66]

Coach85 Coach85:

peck420 peck420:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

We didn't back down on the things we wanted, and we got them.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Dropping this today was a major mistake by Trudeau. If we do actually have an agreement in principal, I doubt the US or Mexico would have cared if the announcement was delayed by one day.

The current agreement is already being sold as sacrificing Quebec for Ontario.

Doesn't matter if that is true or not, the optics are brutal, and Trudeau should have known better.

Not sure how the optics are brutal. Every deal has concessions. This is about Canada, not only Quebec...so they can fuck right off with their perpetual whining nonsense.

Exactly, Quebec has held this nation hostage to it's whims for too long. Its about time we practice some federalism.

[N_Fiddledog]

Woo hoo, cheap milk.

Too bad, so sad, Chrystia - no snowflake clauses.

[llama66]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Woo hoo, cheap milk.

Too bad, so sad, Chrystia - no snowflake clauses.

Happy with the De Minimis increase, that's about it. I think we gave up a lot just to maintain what is essentially the status quo.

[Robair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Woo hoo, cheap milk.

You missed the part where "help" for affected dairy industries is coming?

Milk is the same price. But now part will be taken out of the taxes you pay.

Irritating that we have to sign on to stupidity, like war on drugs, drug patents and subsidized dairy because we live next to a fucked up system.

[Strutz]

Note: this is an opinion piece

$1:

With its new trade deal, Canada surrenders sovereignty to a bully: Neil Macdonald
So first, Clause 32. It's long-winded and uses code language, but basically, it says that if Canada wants a trade deal with China, it has to notify the Americans about any negotiations, and tell them the substance of those negotiations, and submit the text of any deal, "including any annexes and side instruments" in advance, for American scrutiny, and then, like a puppy, await Washington's verdict.

If the Americans don't like the deal – and it's a safe bet the Americans aren't going to like any deal that binds Canada to a rival economic giant – Canada will be summarily excluded from the new version of NAFTA, which will revert, at America's whim, to a bilateral deal with Mexico.

It's a breathtaking thing for Canada to accept, but unsurprising. It's of a piece with the Trump approach: brutalize allies and partners, insult them and club them into submission with crude threats like Trump's "motherlode" tariffs on autos and auto parts.

To paraphrase Trump's coarse inauguration speech, fair trade stops here and it stops now. America first, ladies and gentlemen.

Clause 32 doesn't actually mention China. It instead uses the euphemism "non-market country," and stipulates that each party "shall inform the other parties," but there's no doubt about what a non-market country means — China — or who Canada is meant to tell. At the moment, U.S. President Donald Trump is prosecuting an all-out trade war with China, and he doesn't want any allies getting cozy with the other side.

But it's more than that. The United States has clearly heard the voices in Canada and other Western countries urging their governments to diversify and strengthen ties with other trading partners as a shield against Trump's America-first bullying. The Americans consider Canada and Mexico to be client states, and aren't going to stand for any Canadian assertions of independence.

"This is all about the Americans laying down a marker," says a Canadian lawyer who's been inside the NAFTA renegotiation. "They are effectively saying 'We are going to control North America.'

Article continues at the link:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/canada-usmca-1.4845494

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

So how much did we lose by? When does our Sudetenland get officially transferred over to the bastards?

Rest assured that we made you keep Quebec.