[BartSimpson]

Robair Robair:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

It's a private, for profit company. It's been in business since 1945. It accepts most national and international insurance plans - public and private. You can also pay cash. What's the problem? What's the point as concerns Rand Paul?

Because I'm not sure how Rand Paul becomes a socialist for dealing with a private, for-profit company that also deals with socialized insurance plans.

Rand Paul has likened a single payer system, like affordable care act, to slavery. He is very much against it. That's what a private clinic operating in a single payer system has to do with Rand Paul.

Nobody is calling him a socialist. We're calling him a hypocrite.

Is Rand Paul receiving health care coverage from your single payer system? No, he is not.

That means you're wrong.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Robair Robair:

Rand Paul has likened a single payer system, like affordable care act, to slavery. He is very much against it. That's what a private clinic operating in a single payer system has to do with Rand Paul.

Nobody is calling him a socialist. We're calling him a hypocrite.

Is Rand Paul receiving health care coverage from your single payer system? No, he is not.

That means you're wrong.

That wasn't what Robair wrote. Rand Paul is benefiting from a clinic that does work in a single payer (and patient payer) system, that has developed a unique treatment while earning from that single payer system - but Rand Paul continues to rally against the US having the same single payer system with such memorable quotes as "Single Payer is Slavery". He's a hypocrite.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's the difference between Canada and America - there are NO premium medical services. All services are billed the same, no matter who does it or where it happens.

The premium in this case is that Rand Paul is going to go to the front of the line because he's paying for that privilege. He'll also get a private room.

The rest of you have to wait your turn just like you do for hip surgery, knee replacements, and pretty much any advanced imaging services.

If he was going to the front of the line as you state, he either would have had it already, instead of waiting until the end of this month. He'll never tell us, but I'd bet this operation was booked sometime last year...hardly "premium" service.

And a private room isn't premium, it's an option available everyone, some of whom are willing to pay the $50-100 extra per day for that privilege. My wife got a private room for both our children, and didn't even have to pay for it either time, because the maternity was quiet both times.

Premium service in Canada is going to an MRI clinic to get it done this week instead of waiting three months for it.

Again, as has been said many times in this thread, Canadian health care is very different from the American one and you don't have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to our system.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

Right, you don't have any. That's what I thought.

Here's my proof:

United States Senator Rand Paul.

If anything, that's the reason he should be sent to the back of the line.

Tricks Tricks:

No one gives a shit

I mean really, what's he going to do? Call our healthcare system slavery again?

Exactly!

[Tricks]

housewife housewife:

My point is OHIP pays less than 10 bucks but I was charged 25 for the appointment. So apparently there already is a double standard in our healthcare.

The hours on hold and the idiots is just normal. The big piss off though is the fact that there are people who don’t have 25 - 40 extra bucks in their budget who wouldn’t get the test which may end up costing OHIP more in the long run cause it’s an early detection test.

Yes, Doctors can charge someone more who isn't covered. That's one of the advantages of a single payer system. Costs of pretty much all procedures are less under a single payer than the for profit system in the U.S. That's why we spend less than half, per capita, than the U.S. does.

The issue is that your doctor was an idiot and charged you instead of charging OHIP, which is what they were supposed to do. At least that's how I'm seeing it. He charged you what he would charge an uninsured person, when you were insured and he should have charged OHIP. It does appear it's only covered once every 3 years though. So that could have changed things.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Robair Robair:

Rand Paul has likened a single payer system, like affordable care act, to slavery. He is very much against it. That's what a private clinic operating in a single payer system has to do with Rand Paul.

Nobody is calling him a socialist. We're calling him a hypocrite.

Is Rand Paul receiving health care coverage from your single payer system? No, he is not.

That means you're wrong.

That wasn't what Robair wrote. Rand Paul is benefiting from a clinic that does work in a single payer (and patient payer) system, that has developed a unique treatment while earning from that single payer system - but Rand Paul continues to rally against the US having the same single payer system with such memorable quotes as "Single Payer is Slavery". He's a hypocrite.

Canadian healthcare is sub par to American Healthcare according to Rand Paul.

[Tricks]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Again, as has been said many times in this thread, Canadian health care is very different from the American one and you don't have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to our system.

Because American's believe the bullshit that's fed to them from people who wants to ensure they can bankrupt people for falling ill.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

It's a private, for profit company. It's been in business since 1945. It accepts most national and international insurance plans - public and private. You can also pay cash. What's the problem? What's the point as concerns Rand Paul?

Because I'm not sure how Rand Paul becomes a socialist for dealing with a private, for-profit company that also deals with socialized insurance plans.

Rand Paul has likened a single payer system, like affordable care act, to slavery. He is very much against it. That's what a private clinic operating in a single payer system has to do with Rand Paul.

Nobody is calling him a socialist. We're calling him a hypocrite.

I think the problem here is the Canadian inferiority complex.

There seems to be this reflexive rejection of the idea that a private Canadian company could come up with something so special the rest of the world would come seeking to purchase the service.

I'm thinking if Rand Paul went to a private clinic in Switzerland nobody would bat an eye.

The Ontario Government did not create the service. It does not manage it. Shouldice is a private for-profit business.

The Ontario Government is just another customer. There is no hypocrisy in using a private service. That's what capitalists do.

[Robair]

Holy fuck.

It's a private clinic/hospital/business operating in a country with single payer.

Rand Paul has campaigned hard against a system with private clinics/hospitals/businesses and single payer. Saying it doesn't work. It's socialism, and will fail like the soviet union. Likening it to slavery.

That is about as dumbed down as I can go.

Not sure how to talk stupider. Worser? More ingnoranter maybe.

[DrCaleb]

Robair Robair:

That is about as dumbed down as I can go.

Not sure how to talk stupider. Worser? More ingnoranter maybe.

Start referring to people you don't like as 'progs' or 'proggies'.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

Holy fuck.

It's a private clinic/hospital/business operating in a country with single payer.

No. It's a private, for-profit business serving single payer customers. Shouldice also serves private insurance and cash customers. The come because Shouldice offers a superior, private service.

You seem to be having problems grasping the obvious.

[Robair]

OK captain obvious. What's the difference between that and the system Rand Paul has been badmouthing south of the border???

[Robair]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Robair Robair:

That is about as dumbed down as I can go.

Not sure how to talk stupider. Worser? More ingnoranter maybe.

Start referring to people you don't like as 'progs' or 'proggies'.

Awesome.

[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

OK captain obvious. What's the difference between that and the system Rand Paul has been badmouthing south of the border???

Socialized medicine does not offer a highly reputed, specialized, private, for-profit business model sought after by international customers.

[Robair]

HR 676. Obamacare. ACA. Single payer is what Rand Paul has been badmouthing.

This thread is about a hospital in a nation with single payer that does offer highly reputed, specialized, for-profit treatments sought after by international customers.