[peck420]

Yawn.

I have more fear of Venezuela conquering the NWP than the US.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Thank You every Canadian Government that played a role in gutting our military. You 've made it easy for foreign powers to take our territory, and to disregard our claims. Time to reinvest in a 3 ocean Navy.

Sorry to say this, but I've been telling you people for fourteen years now that you need a military capable of blunting the US and that if you default your defense to us as you have then you also default your sovereignty to us.

When has the U.S. defended us exactly?

[Thanos]

If it weren't for the Americans putting us under their nuclear umbrella our far north probably would have been taken from us by the Soviets decades ago.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

If it weren't for the Americans putting us under their nuclear umbrella our far north probably would have been taken from us by the Soviets decades ago.

Which is beneficial to them. It's better to have us to the north than the Soviets.

That's still not them defending us, the Soviets did not declare war on us or invade us.

[Thanos]

It always was a de facto defense in that the US never really had a choice in having to do it. That the Canadian government was more-or-less (depending on who was the PM at any given moment) was merely a benefit to the Americans in sharing the load on things like building the DEW Line and having non-stop air patrols over the region. They wouldn't tolerate a Soviet presence to the north of them any more than they tolerated one being set up in Cuba. The Americans doing this for us at their own cost though? That's what allowed Canada to get incredibly lazy with our own defense spending since Trudeau The Elder. The Canadian government knew the US would cover us under their overall defense system & strategy anyway so in their minds that freed up all that military money for social programs, and so the bleeding of the forces began even with the Cold War far away from coming to an end.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Thank You every Canadian Government that played a role in gutting our military. You 've made it easy for foreign powers to take our territory, and to disregard our claims. Time to reinvest in a 3 ocean Navy.

Sorry to say this, but I've been telling you people for fourteen years now that you need a military capable of blunting the US and that if you default your defense to us as you have then you also default your sovereignty to us.

And to quote myself earlier:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

^^ Sabre rattling doesn't change international law. Russias' belligerent occupation of Crimea isn't changed because Russia has more warships than Ukraine. Ukraine's territorial boundaries are still recognized.

The Northwest Passage doesn't suddenly fall outside the territorial boundaries of Canada just because Pompeo thinks it should.

Military force has nothing to do with territorial boundaries. Running an active military fleet through the Northwest Passage would ultimately violate:

$1:

Article17

Right of innocent passage

Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.

2. Passage of a foreign ship shall be considered to be prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State if in the territorial sea it engages in any of the following activities:

(a) any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of the coastal State, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;

https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention ... /part2.htm

[BartSimpson]

I doubt the US will send a surface fleet through the NWP.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I doubt the US will send a surface fleet through the NWP.

No fucking shit.

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

If it weren't for the Americans putting us under their nuclear umbrella our far north probably would have been taken from us by the Soviets decades ago.

Not even close.

As I have stated previously, no one can currently take it.

This is a tech issue, btw.

Once we have some form of anti-grav, or we are deploying forces direct from space, NWP is safe.

[BartSimpson]

This is a tech issue...Canada doesn't have the tech to stop our tech from transiting the NWP nor can you stop the Russians, Chinese, British, French, Dutch, Swedes, Japanese, or especially the Germans.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This is a tech issue...Canada doesn't have the tech to stop our tech from transiting the NWP nor can you stop the Russians, Chinese, British, French, Dutch, Swedes, Japanese, or especially the Germans.

Yawn.

And if your country could, you would be doing it now.

But, you can't.

Sad face....tear.

[herbie]

Thanos Thanos:

If it weren't for the Americans putting us under their nuclear umbrella our far north probably would have been taken from us by the Soviets decades ago.

Yeah they would've skiied across the ice like Norwegian-Dothraki hordes if not for the Glorious Yanks. Probably coordinate their attack with the Chinese burrowing through the center of the Earth and coming up in Jeeps through Billy's backyard sandbox.

Or maybe N Korean and Nicaraguan landing craft could've been repelled by a hockey stick wielding Minor Leaguers...

[bootlegga]

llama66 llama66:

Thank You every Canadian Government that played a role in gutting our military. You 've made it easy for foreign powers to take our territory, and to disregard our claims. Time to reinvest in a 3 ocean Navy.

It's happening, but at a snail's pace:

https://navaltoday.com/2019/05/06/canad ... trol-ship/

[stratos]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Thank You every Canadian Government that played a role in gutting our military. You 've made it easy for foreign powers to take our territory, and to disregard our claims. Time to reinvest in a 3 ocean Navy.

Sorry to say this, but I've been telling you people for fourteen years now that you need a military capable of blunting the US and that if you default your defense to us as you have then you also default your sovereignty to us.

When has the U.S. defended us exactly?

An argument could be put forth for WWII against Japan but it might not hold up very well. Outside of that it's more of Canada has this big brother who doesn't like people coming over and messing with it so lets not F with them. The USA's military ability and wiliness to fight (in the past) probably has saved you some troubles but at the same time has caused Canada issues also.

[bootlegga]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Thank You every Canadian Government that played a role in gutting our military. You 've made it easy for foreign powers to take our territory, and to disregard our claims. Time to reinvest in a 3 ocean Navy.

Sorry to say this, but I've been telling you people for fourteen years now that you need a military capable of blunting the US and that if you default your defense to us as you have then you also default your sovereignty to us.

When has the U.S. defended us exactly?

They never have, no matter what Bart and the GOP might argue.

It's in the US interest to have a militarily weak northern neighbour they can push around and threaten with economic sanctions. If we were larger and stronger, we could be seen as a threat to the US.

The only reason the US is a superpower is because it is protected by oceans and has smaller, weaker neighbours. If it had had a Germany or Russia on its borders instead of us, it would have had to have fought WW1 and WW2 at home, and wouldn't have been able to invest as much as it did in its navy either, which is a key reason behind its economic hegemony (the other being undamaged after WW2 like most everyone else).