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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:09 am
 


Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.


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Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.

But are we sure...

This is the point. Idiot boy-blunder is bandying the word about with little regard for the implications for its use. He needs to be retired as a politician.


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Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.

But are we sure...

This is the point. Idiot boy-blunder is bandying the word about with little regard for the implications for its use. He needs to be retired as a politician.


Therein lies the same problem the US had in 2016.

Are the alternatives really any better? :cry:


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This is the point. Idiot boy-blunder is bandying the word about with little regard for the implications for its use. He needs to be retired as a politician.

Frankly, I often feel that True-dolt has done more to advance white nationalism through his idiocy than the KKK or Sons of Odin ever could.

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Are the alternatives really any better? :cry:

I'm afraid not, Doctor. Society-as it is now-is too polarized for any meaningful or civil debate. I readily admit that I let my own passions get the better of me, which is why I try to refrain from posting too much and regretting later.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:35 am
 


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How could they possibly be separated further?

How is it one-sided, exactly?


Okay here we go then.

We have a blatant attempt to subvert the Canadian justice system by creating indigenous juries. This gov't picks and chooses which native anti infrastructure policies to listen to based on it's anti oil agenda a fact which pits not only Canadians against natives but natives against natives.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... eau-treaty

Then we have two sets of sentencing guidelines, one for natives and one for the rest of us. Trudeau has also apologized for every historical fact that the natives felt slighted about, whether they were historically accurate or not while completely ignoring groups like the Doukhobours who had their children physically removed from their homes and sent to "white" residential schools.

And then we have the term reconciliation which is supposed to bring two sides together through friendship and harmony. Well that's pretty tough to do when you have one side being catered to because of one mans self induced liberal guilt while the other side is told to shut up sit and watch him assuage his own guilt with our tax dollars.

And now, with his latest outrageous statement about missing and murdered indigenous women he's basically said that the RCMP lie, and Canadians are conducting a systemic genocide against Natives. If that isn't inflammatory and divisive I don't know what is? Although it does play well to the natives and his fan base.

He's also claiming that the white race is conducting these acts of violence while he and his cabal are completely ignoring the fact that alot of the acts of abuse and murder are being committed by the same people they claim to be victims of his self proclaimed genocide.

BTW I wouldn't bring up Robert Picton and start spouting the natives line about all the missing women being native sex workers because that's never been proven nor has the claim that he killed 49 women. Because so far that's only his jailhouse bragging and has never been proven either. So, let's keep it to the 26 women the sick fuck murdered because using unproven numbers just clouds the truth.

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In Canada, most solved murders of Indigenous women were committed by the spouse or family members.[16][17] In Canada, according to activists "thousands of cases" of missing and murdered Indigenous women over the last half-century were not properly investigated due to alleged police bias.[18] The 49 women murdered by serial killer Robert Pickton, who was eventually jailed in 2007, are cited as an example; with families claiming that Pickton was able to go on killing for so long because police had not taken the disappearances seriously because most of the women were sex workers and Indigenous


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_a ... nous_women

But, it's quite apparent that you're missing my point completely. I'm saying that the gov't is, through it's outlandish words and actions attempting to deflect from the fact that it isn't just white men who are killing and abusing these women it's also native men.
So, if this line of thinking continues when it comes to investigating the deaths it's going to be a very one sided affair.


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Are the alternatives really any better?

Of course they are not. I feel the only reason we're not seeing more overt unrest is because many of us are hoping he's gone in October. If he gets back in, I suspect we'll see more tangible movements to undermine his authority.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:43 am
 


On the matter of the police doing a piss-poor job investigating; thats pretty common, it's not only Indigenous women who get the short end of that stick, bad investigations are a sad reality of the world we live in.


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Are the alternatives really any better?

Of course they are not. I feel the only reason we're not seeing more overt unrest is because many of us are hoping he's gone in October. If he gets back in, I suspect we'll see more tangible movements to undermine his authority.


I suppose in a perfect world, the party we favour would get in, but the leader would lose their seat. ;)


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it’s about police refusing to properly investigate MMIW cases.

You mean the cops with 38 officers stationed here, amidst 7 reserves, without a single native officer?


Hell, why not put tribal police on all the reserves like the Americans. It'd do two things. First it would relieve the RCMP of the burden of being accused continually of not doing their job and it would make the natives responsible for their own peoples actions and the outcomes of those actions. Plus as a bonus they couldn't use everyone else as an excuse for any abused or murdered women on the reserve which, oddly enough is where most indigenous women die?

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In Canada, the probability of early death is higher for Status First Nations person living on one of Canada’s First Nations Reserves than for those living off reserve. Adding location to the intersection of race and gender, we see staggering numbers that are hidden in data aggregated at larger geographic levels—the mortality rate of on-reserve Status girls between the ages of 15 and 19 is almost five times the national average. These results are often masked in provincial or regional data given that Reserves tend to be very small in terms of their individual populations.


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... ming-rate/


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Are the alternatives really any better?

Of course they are not. I feel the only reason we're not seeing more overt unrest is because many of us are hoping he's gone in October. If he gets back in, I suspect we'll see more tangible movements to undermine his authority.


I suppose in a perfect world, the party we favour would get in, but the leader would lose their seat. ;)

I like this idea.


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Thanos wrote:
Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.


Then the Genocide ended in the 1990s. Fine. Doesn’t mean the government of Canada has no responsibility


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Thanos wrote:
Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.


Then the Genocide ended in the 1990s. Fine. Doesn’t mean the government of Canada has no responsibility


And it doesn't mean I am responsible. That's one of the keys to reconciliation that I have heard Natives voice. Not all of us knew what our government was doing in our name. I didn't even hear about these things till the mid 2000's.

It's unfair to blame people for things they didn't know about, and don't agree with.


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This is a pointless thread because it's only going to have the ultra-liberal definition of genocide allowed. And, just like "fascism" actually means nothing anymore thanks to liberals aiming it at everyone from dopey libertarians thru to actual Nazis, "genocide" won't mean anything anymore either. Asked the band councils for fiscal accountability of the tax dollars they're given? You won't stack trial juries with Native jurors only in order to ensure a pro-Native outcome at trials? Hey whitey, why are you committing a genocide?!?!? :roll:


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llama66 wrote:
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It’s true, many of them died of disease while we were massacring, enslaving, and forcibly relocating them

And since we stopped abducting their children by force for systematic physical abuse and sexual molestation in the 1990s we have nothing to feel bad about. Right?

:roll:

I don't feel bad about anything. I was 16 when the last school closed. Please, try another card to attempt to shame me with.


It doesn’t matter how you personally feel or how old you were. The Government of Canada was and is responsible for what happened.

Our government organized the systematic physical and sexual abuse of multiple generations of children for an entire century, we have no moral grounds to complain that said abused kids didn’t grow up to be model citizens or begrudge them for resenting their abusers.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:16 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
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Genocide means the involvement of the state in the deliberate destruction of a group. Fairly certain that Robert Pickton didn't get approval, either verbally or written down, from anyone in any Canadian government to kill fifty prostitutes.


Then the Genocide ended in the 1990s. Fine. Doesn’t mean the government of Canada has no responsibility


In murder? sure it does, your accusing a sovereign state of sanctioning murder. Better have proof. I dont buy the UN definition because the word it's self translate to Geno (people) cide (killing).

I'll not be held responsible for the alleged sins of my father.


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