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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:34 am
 



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Guns are the real problem. :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:50 am
 


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Domestic Terrorist Timothy McVeigh murdered 168 people without using a gun, so keep thinking banning guns is the answer. :roll:


If we're going to base security threats and how to deal with them on one off events, then it's well past time to let people carry box cutters and liquids on airplanes again and to stop making everyone take their shoes off at the security checkpoint.

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The result of McVeigh's bombing was that it is now pretty difficult to buy huge amounts of ammonium fertilizer wihtout a visit from law enforcement. Just like how it's pretty difficult for the average joe to buy explosives in general without permits and licenses.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:10 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
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Americans’ access to guns is the only difference.


SO STUPID AND FALSE. Cars are more regulated than guns in the USA. All motor vehicles require stringent licensing that must be renewed every 5 years, registration that must be renewed every year, and insurance, all of which is stored in a central database that can be accessed nation-wide. People who use their vehicles irresponsibly can have their cars confiscated and driving privileges revoked and can be fined or imprisoned. Or do you not know how driving works?

To the second meme, all evidence suggests that the US neither controls guns nor raises kids to be great people I guess since these shootings only happen in the US, if Americas lax gun laws are not to blame then the only logical conclusions are thatAmericans are the worlds shittiest people.


So more stringent licensing of firearms like motor vehicles will stop mass shootings? Keep living the dream if that what's makes you happy.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:22 am
 


Licensing wont do shit. Not when there is already 900 million (or more) guns in the hands of Americans. This is an unattainable goal to fix the mass shooting situation. Your only options are:
1. Disarm every American,
2. Make every American register all their firearms
3. combination of both

And then implement gun control

None of these options would ever fly with the American people. It would go over like a lead balloon. There would be open revolt.

As a way maybe to mitigate the shootings may be a way to bridge the gaps in the states, especially political and socio-economically. But there is serious resistance to even that.

I fear the United States is a ship that cannot be righted.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:44 am
 


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He has alot of interesting and accurate points but he didn't push the socio economic one far enough. If the murders in those Black cities (ghetto's which should have never been allowed to occur because of a lack of political will or in Detroit's case as an experiment) can be fixed by giving people hope and a chance at a better life, then why the fuck would you stop there?

As pointed out in my other posts, most of these shootings are being perpetrated by the youth of America because the mentally fragile ones see no future and have become angry, disillusioned and hopeless. So, to really stop the problem of mass shootings by that demographic you've got to change the culture of the Country. You've got to give everyone back the "American Dream" because as it stands now it's been ripped from the fabric of society and all people ever see is the negatives and downside of everyday life in America which, to be honest has been in decline since the late 1960's.

Unfortunately to change the culture of society would require a buy in by all citizens, something which in today's polarized and violent America isn't going to happen. So like llama said America is a capsized ship that isn't going to right itself without a full blown civil war and the complete restructuring of American society. So, if you think this latest spate of dead is bad just wait till the numbers start rolling in from the inevitable battles that will follow.

But, what really scares me is the fact that when America finally goes "full retard man" and burns their country to the ground, ours might go up right along with it especially since we keep deluding ourselves that we've got our gun, violence and societal issues under control.


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As pointed out in my other posts, most of these shootings are being perpetrated by the youth of America because the mentally fragile ones see no future and have become angry, disillusioned and hopeless. So, to really stop the problem of mass shootings by that demographic you've got to change the culture of the Country. You've got to give everyone back the "American Dream" because as it stands now it's been ripped from the fabric of society and all people ever see is the negatives and downside of everyday life in America which, to be honest has been in decline since the late 1960's.

Unfortunately to change the culture of society would require a buy in by all citizens, something which in today's polarized and violent America isn't going to happen. So like llama said America is a capsized ship that isn't going to right itself without a full blown civil war and the complete restructuring of American society. So, if you think this latest spate of dead is bad just wait till the numbers start rolling in from the inevitable battles that will follow.

But, what really scares me is the fact that when America finally goes "full retard man" and burns their country to the ground, ours might go up right along with it especially since we keep deluding ourselves that we've got our gun, violence and societal issues under control.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:18 am
 


Here's one that goes more to the culture problems FOG:



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Freakinoldguy wrote:
N_Fiddledog wrote:


He has alot of interesting and accurate points but he didn't push the socio economic one far enough. If the murders in those Black cities (ghetto's which should have never been allowed to occur because of a lack of political will or in Detroit's case as an experiment) can be fixed by giving people hope and a chance at a better life, then why the fuck would you stop there?

As pointed out in my other posts, most of these shootings are being perpetrated by the youth of America because the mentally fragile ones see no future and have become angry, disillusioned and hopeless. So, to really stop the problem of mass shootings by that demographic you've got to change the culture of the Country. You've got to give everyone back the "American Dream" because as it stands now it's been ripped from the fabric of society and all people ever see is the negatives and downside of everyday life in America which, to be honest has been in decline since the late 1960's.

Unfortunately to change the culture of society would require a buy in by all citizens, something which in today's polarized and violent America isn't going to happen. So like llama said America is a capsized ship that isn't going to right itself without a full blown civil war and the complete restructuring of American society. So, if you think this latest spate of dead is bad just wait till the numbers start rolling in from the inevitable battles that will follow.

But, what really scares me is the fact that when America finally goes "full retard man" and burns their country to the ground, ours might go up right along with it especially since we keep deluding ourselves that we've got our gun, violence and societal issues under control.


Yep we’ve been saying for decades now that the death of the American Dream is a significant factor, however the national dreams have been dying in Canada, Australia and Western Europe without this kind of result. America has the unique toxic mix of death of the dream and easy access to guns.

Regarding changing culture, whether you’re talking about the culture of a society or a workplace or even just a social circle, humans can’t directly control culture. Culture of a group is the end result of an infinite number of factors affecting the unconscious thoughts and behaviour of that group over a long period of time, factors which can’t even be fully identified let alone controlled. The most people can hope for is to change the CLIMATE within the group through deliberate and conscious efforts of key members of the group, and if they’re successful in changing and maintaining the climate over a long enough period of time, the culture will gradually shift in that direction. Climate is the short-term, deliberate, “artificially” created environment of group values and behaviour that are defined and enforced by leaders and key group members whereas culture is the “natural” often unintentional or unconscious set of values and behaviour that evolve among the group over time, whether the leaders like them or not.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:33 pm
 


What was the Canadian Dream? No nation had as clear national dream as the United States. It was a propaganda juggernaut. Come to the land of the free, get a house, have opportunities your parents could only dream of. The American Dream is what seemingly set the United States apart from other countries.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:58 pm
 


Canada never tried to be the greatest. Just the best.


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Freakinoldguy wrote:
N_Fiddledog wrote:


He has alot of interesting and accurate points but he didn't push the socio economic one far enough. If the murders in those Black cities (ghetto's which should have never been allowed to occur because of a lack of political will or in Detroit's case as an experiment) can be fixed by giving people hope and a chance at a better life, then why the fuck would you stop there?

As pointed out in my other posts, most of these shootings are being perpetrated by the youth of America because the mentally fragile ones see no future and have become angry, disillusioned and hopeless. So, to really stop the problem of mass shootings by that demographic you've got to change the culture of the Country. You've got to give everyone back the "American Dream" because as it stands now it's been ripped from the fabric of society and all people ever see is the negatives and downside of everyday life in America which, to be honest has been in decline since the late 1960's.

Unfortunately to change the culture of society would require a buy in by all citizens, something which in today's polarized and violent America isn't going to happen. So like llama said America is a capsized ship that isn't going to right itself without a full blown civil war and the complete restructuring of American society. So, if you think this latest spate of dead is bad just wait till the numbers start rolling in from the inevitable battles that will follow.

But, what really scares me is the fact that when America finally goes "full retard man" and burns their country to the ground, ours might go up right along with it especially since we keep deluding ourselves that we've got our gun, violence and societal issues under control.

How was Detroit an experiment?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:06 pm
 


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Yes indeed , because we all know these killers would be bludgeoning everyone to death with dead squirrels if no firearms were available :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:23 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
Here's one that goes more to the culture problems FOG:




Schools teaching things like environmentalism and alternative/twisted history while ignoring their original mandate of educating our children not politicizing them;

A media who's using yellow journalism by sensationalizing stories that push a specific political or social agenda;

Gov'ts who are dead set on intruding on every facet of their citizens lives;

At least two generations of children who've been brainwashed into believing that everyone is the same and yet they're someone special who should have what ever they want.

Generations of children to whom the American Dream or Canadian Dream is nothing more than a legend because special interest groups, gov'ts and corporations have decided that we should live as nothing but serfs put here to serve them and their agenda.

I could go on and on but what's the point. The brainwashing started decades ago and we're seeing the results in the continued ghettofication of our countries, the purpose driven division of the population, the mental melt down of our citizens and acts of violence that were uncommon when we still had free will and weren't being continually manipulated.

So, to answer your post. Mind control actually works and because of it we now have, generations of mindless drones attached to their cell phones TV's Tablets and computers believing what ever appears on the screen or what some talking head tells them.

Give me the 50's with just a few tweeks anytime because what we've got now just isn't working.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:29 pm
 


herbie wrote:
Canada never tried to be the greatest. Just the best.

So true.


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