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Title: Poll finds most Canadians want Huawei barred from the country's 5G networks | CTV News
Category: Tech
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2019-12-14 00:59:00
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

A fact which likely means Mr. Trudeau will soon be making an announcement that Huawei will be providing Canada with their new 5G network.

[herbie]

So what's more two-faced than an Orange Idiot whipping up anti-Hauwei equipment while pursuing and bragging about trade deals with China at exactly the same time?
Sadly their equipment is about the best there is, but so many Canadians and Americans think our home born IT guys are too fucking stupid to find or disable any malicious code in it.

[Freakinoldguy]

herbie herbie:

So what's more two-faced than an Orange Idiot whipping up anti-Hauwei equipment while pursuing and bragging about trade deals with China at exactly the same time?
Sadly their equipment is about the best there is, but so many Canadians and Americans think our home born IT guys are too fucking stupid to find or disable any malicious code in it.

People get far to wrapped around the axle about Huawei spying themselves. That's not the issue. The problem is the built in vulnerabilities they've put into their systems that allow the spying in the first place.

$1:

Is there any actual evidence of spying?
Over the last decade these spying allegations have consistently hounded Huawei, however, no clear evidence has ever been presented to prove there are backdoors or surveillance spyware installed on any Huawei devices. An expansive 18-month security review from US government agencies was reported to have concluded in 2012 that there was no evidence Huawei was working with the Chinese government to spy on US citizens.

Experts working on the US government review at the time suggested that, while no singular "smoking gun" could be found proving Huawei equipment had been compromised, its systems were "riddled with holes." These coding errors and vulnerabilities were found to make some of Huawei's equipment more open to being hacked, however, no one could establish whether these were simple software mistakes or explicit backdoors left open for espionage reasons.

For some, questions over how secure Huawei equipment actually is, are merely questions of potential. Australia, New Zealand, and Japan have already banned Huawei equipment from forthcoming 5G infrastructure roll-outs, claiming the risks for 5G network gear to be compromised through software updates make security evaluations incredibly difficult. This idea that the security risk inherent to Huawei's equipment is one based on possibility rather than actuality is frequently raised by US lawmakers and experts.

"This is not about finding "backdoors" in current Huawei products – that's a fool's errand," said Democrat senator Mark Warner recently to The Verge. "Software reviews of existing Huawei products are not sufficient to preclude the possibility of a vendor pushing a malicious update that enables surveillance in the future. Any supposedly safe Chinese product is one firmware update away from being an insecure Chinese product."

https://newatlas.com/huawei-ban-us-what ... sts/59772/

[xerxes]

Correct if I'm wrong but aren't the vulnerabilities in 5G inherent in the system? Because there have to be so many towers carrying the 5G signals that makes them more vulnerable to bad actors?

[Freakinoldguy]

xerxes xerxes:

Correct if I'm wrong but aren't the vulnerabilities in 5G inherent in the system? Because there have to be so many towers carrying the 5G signals that makes them more vulnerable to bad actors?

That may be true but Huawei had those "inherent" built in vulnerabilites before the 5G network became a viable concept.

You're also right about the cell towers. Apparently there will be a massive increase in urban areas to ensure coverage meaning that security will likely be compromised to some degree no matter who builds the network.

$1:

Enter Huawei
There are five major players in the 5G equipment market today: Huawei, Ericsson, ZTE, Nokia and Samsung.

Canada has been generally very welcoming towards Huawei in the past, with its hardware and software widely used here for broadband and 4G wireless. Huawei’s position is due to a combination of its equipment’s quality and lower cost.

The United States claims Huawei is a threat to national security because of the as-yet-unproven claim that Huawei equipment contains a back door — a secret method for bypassing authentication or encryption in a computer system or device, allowing for surreptitious remote access.

Thus, the U.S. alleges, data that moves through Huawei equipment could be made available to Chinese intelligence services. The U.S. has taken steps to ban or restrict the use of Huawei equipment in its developing national 5G infrastructure, and is pressuring its allies to do the same.

http://theconversation.com/canada-will- ... ons-121683

So, it doesn't really matter who builds our network because we'll either piss off the Americans or piss off the Chinese. A fact that means we're screwed no matter which way we jump. So if it was up to me I'd use a neutral country like Finland and Nokia to build the network and tell the two superpowers sorry but we just couldn't trust either one of you.

But, given past history, Nokia and Finland may be aligned with the Russians like they were during the cold war which would mean just more spying.

The one thing people don't consider is the ramifications if we let Huawei build the network. The US isn't going to allow Huawei into their country no matter if their accusations are true or not due to a perceived security risk that could allow the Chinese gov't access to all data. So, our decision doesn't matter because if they don't want anything to do with Huawei we're going to be left on the outside looking in because all secure data will be blocked from our network to theirs.

A fact which is very counter productive when it comes to our military's and gov'ts working together.

[Martin15]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The US isn't going to allow Huawei into their country no matter if their accusations are true or not due to a perceived security risk that could allow the Chinese gov't access to all data.

I have read the US has already mentioned to the Brits they will lose their 5 eyes access
if hwingwong wins a contract. I imagine for us it would be the same.

Amazing that this discussion is even a thing,
The fact that we are discussing letting a foreign country access to all
electronic data only shows how weak we really are.. and how stupid.

[CharlesAnthony]

SHORT VERSION: "We can not compete yet! We need more time!"

[herbie]

$1:

I have read the US has already mentioned to the Brits they will lose their 5 eyes access
if hwingwong wins a contract. I imagine for us it would be the same.

It's not your repeated warnings that other countries should act against their own interests and cower before US threats, it's your sheer inability to post snything at all without racist content that's annoying.

[Martin15]

OK Boomer.

[bootlegga]

$1:

“There is no way Huawei can resist any order from the [People’s Republic of China] Government or the Chinese Communist Party to do its bidding in any context, commercial or otherwise. Huawei would have to turn over all requested data and perform whatever other surveillance activities are required,” Jerome Cohen, a New York University law professor and Council on Foreign Relations adjunct senior fellow, told CNBC by email.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/huawei- ... perts.html

Seems like reason enough to ban them...

[herbie]

And good for him. He too thinks N American IT pros are too dumb to find anything in the equipment that sends to China.
After all, he's a lawyer probably still using faxes and Windows XP.

[herbie]

herbie herbie:

And good for him. He too thinks N American IT pros are too dumb to find anything in the equipment that sends to China.
After all, he's a lawyer probably still using faxes and Windows XP.

And not worrying that every byte of data will be monitored 24/7 by Homeland Security and every fucking ad agency in the US