[PublicAnimalNo9]

Scape Scape:

At this point the WHO is like the fire department that showed up late and your house burnt down.

We still need them to fight the fire before the whole neighborhood goes up in smoke. At this point ANY help is better than none. Yes, the WHO leadership will need to be investigated and replaced but prosecution and recriminations will need to take a back seat till the crisis is addressed and the numbers are on the mend.

Won't happen. The WHO had already proved they were corrupt long before Covid came along.

[Scape]

You are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Going back to the fire department that came late example, sure the fire chief is on the take and the fire truck came too late to save the house. What now? The fire truck and trained crew are still at the scene. USE THEM! I don't hold the scientists who work at the WHO in contempt and if we did not have the WHO we would have to invent them because there is still a need for it. National strategy for local containment uncoordinated on a global scale is like reinventing the wheel in a time of crisis. Even IF local containment wins out you will then be playing a game of whack-a-mole because the rest of the world still has the virus raging and all your efforts will be in vein.

Like it or not now that this is a global pandemic it requires a global response.

[herbie]

No, the toilet plugged. Never mind clearing it and find out who pinched the offending loaf. Keep using it until you do.
Never mind that you didn't clean it up and it's flooding every floor of your house with shit. Larry did it! Larry! Don't blame me!

[Martin15]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Scape Scape:

At this point the WHO is like the fire department that showed up late and your house burnt down.

No, WHO is more like the fire department that showed up late to the fire because the arsonist asked paid them to let it burn.

FTFY

[Thanos]

herbie herbie:

No, the toilet plugged. Never mind clearing it and find out who pinched the offending loaf.

It was probably this guy:



Fucker wasn't even polite enough to leave the bathroom fan on after he finished befouling the place.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Then you should believe it, because WHO didn't do that. China did.

So, China usurped the WHO's mandate?

WHO is only as good as the data it is given, and China gave it bad data. WHO has no authority to do anything else.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Then you should believe it, because WHO didn't do that. China did.

So, China usurped the WHO's mandate?

WHO is only as good as the data it is given, and China gave it bad data. WHO has no authority to do anything else.

True but you'd think that someone like Dr. Alward and all the other luminaries who participated in this joint Chinese/WHO study into Covid 19 would be capable enough to separate the wheat from the chaff. Because, if you're going post a report with your name on the top you should ensure that your observations are accurate especially when dealing with an epidemic which could turn into a world altering pandemic.

$1:

To gain first-hand knowledge on the field level implementation and impact of the national and local response strategy, under a range of epidemiologic and provincial contexts, visits were conducted to Beijing Municipality and the provinces of Sichuan (Chengdu), Guangdong (Guangzhou, Shenzhen)
and Hubei (Wuhan). The field visits included community centres and health clinics,
country/district hospitals, COVID-19 designated hospitals, transportations hubs (air, rail,
road), a wet market, pharmaceutical and personal protective equipment (PPE) stocks
warehouses, research institutions, provincial health commissions, and local Centers for Disease Control (provincial and prefecture). During these visits, the team had detailed
discussion and consultations with Provincial Governors, municipal Mayors, their emergency
operations teams, senior scientists, frontline clinical, public health and community workers,
and community neighbourhood administrators. The Joint Mission concluded with working
sessions to consolidate findings, generate conclusions and propose suggested actions.

The findings in this report are based on the Joint Mission’s review of national and local
governmental reports, discussions on control and prevention measures with national and
local experts and response teams, and observations made and insights gained during site
visits.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... report.pdf


So, yes the Chinese withheld data and pertinent information about the virus, but it's the scale that they did it that concerns people. When a gov't starts disappearing scientists, doctors and front line workers, redacting information and outright lying it makes a person wonder why no one in the field portion of the WHO's mission noticed? And if they did, did they raise their concerns with their bosses and did the WHO take their observations into account or did they disregard them before writing the glowing report about how well President Xi and the Chinese were doing to contain the pandemic?

Either way, this is a lesson in trust and sadly for the rest of the world including the WHO we've all just learned that you can't trust the Communist Chinese gov't to tell the truth about anything that might damage their image or powerbase.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Either way, this is a lesson in trust and sadly for the rest of the world including the WHO we've all just learned that you can't trust the Communist Chinese gov't to tell the truth about anything that might damage their image or powerbase.

And it does not reflect on WHO or the job they were created to do. The only way to change that is to give the UN the authority all the "Agenda 21" kooks have been railing against.

So we can continue to have UN agencies that can be thwarted by local governments, or we can have an all encompassing authority without safeguards. Neither appeals to me.

[BartSimpson]

It does reflect on the WHO when they take direction from China...which they did.

[Sunnyways]

Bruce Aylward must have written this too:

$1:

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... rus-188736

A lot of people were wrong about China.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Either way, this is a lesson in trust and sadly for the rest of the world including the WHO we've all just learned that you can't trust the Communist Chinese gov't to tell the truth about anything that might damage their image or powerbase.

And it does not reflect on WHO or the job they were created to do. The only way to change that is to give the UN the authority all the "Agenda 21" kooks have been railing against.

So we can continue to have UN agencies that can be thwarted by local governments, or we can have an all encompassing authority without safeguards. Neither appeals to me.

Plain and simple. I'd rather have a local gov't that I elected making decisions that affect me rather than some 3rd world potentate sitting at the UN.

But, there has to be a better way of doing business than what we have now and the only way I can see this type of disaster never happening again is if we take the UN and it's constant quest for funds out of the equation. What we need is a non partisan, non political stand alone health organization who wouldn't be subject to the pressures of every gov't on the planet.

The only problem with that is how do we get there from here especially given human nature?

[Freakinoldguy]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Bruce Aylward must have written this too:

$1:

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... rus-188736

A lot of people were wrong about China.

The world got played like a couple of hicks right off the farm.

[CharlesAnthony]

Scape Scape:

Like it or not now that this is a global pandemic it requires a global response.

Meh.
The theory of evolution and survival of the fittest seem to have worked well-enough so far.

What changed all of a sudden??

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Plain and simple. I'd rather have a local gov't that I elected making decisions that affect me rather than some 3rd world potentate sitting at the UN.

Local governments have all the power, with respect to the UN. The UN has no local authority.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, there has to be a better way of doing business than what we have now and the only way I can see this type of disaster never happening again is if we take the UN and it's constant quest for funds out of the equation. What we need is a non partisan, non political stand alone health organization who wouldn't be subject to the pressures of every gov't on the planet.

That's exactly how WHO operates. WHO takes data from local governments and shares it world wide. As we've seen, we aren't isolated tribes anymore. A person can spread viruses worldwide before they are even identified.

Do you think that such organizations operate for free? And such organizations will always be subject to biases and whims of local governments so long as they have to rely on the good will of those governments. Might as well get used to it.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The only problem with that is how do we get there from here especially given human nature?

The only way is through trust. Governments have to see co-operation is in their best interests.