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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:27 pm
 


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saga...such profanity my dear...I was not advocating any violence whatsover. I am merely voicing what I think many Canadians are thinking.

btw...I am taxable! Way taxable...

Are you?

If we could get over this..."It is my land and you stole it." facade Canada could be a great nation.

Natives have been given a raw deal in the past but the past is the past and the future should be much better through knowledge and respect.

Oh and btw...If you think I am a racist SOB here is a little tidbit for ya...

The GODPARENTS for my first born are native.


NOPE ... I don't think you are racist

I think you are a phucking selfish self-deluded bastard
who doesn't know the law.
It is not over yet, but it could be easily ... 1-2% ... suck it up sweetie!
There's no other way to heaven!

yes i am taxable ... sigh ... WAY taxable ... if it's any of your busybodybusiness

think I got my datahead on a streetcorner?

gotta nice new laptop ... dual processors ... vrooooomm!!

semi-retired tho .... :wink: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:28 pm
 


saga...Do not insult me with the "They pay taxes too" bullshit. Show me any one living on reserve that pays municipal taxes. How can they? They don't own the property! Why is that? Because the chiefs would loose control over the people if they actually had control over their housing.

Give your friggin' head a shake. Who benefits when these claims are settled? Not the people of the reserve. It is the chief and council and their cronies.

If you want proof check out what is going on in many Alberta reserves.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:30 pm
 


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saga...such profanity my dear...I was not advocating any violence whatsover. I am merely voicing what I think many Canadians are thinking.


... and just what is that, PJB?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:40 pm
 


saga...I think a rather large majority of Canadians are sick and tired of the 'Whoa is me', 'You stole my land', 'You owe me everything'. tirade.

We are sick of being held hostage every once in a while because someone doesn't get their way.

We are sick of having our children being called "FUCKING whitemen by kids in kindergarten.

Some of us are sick of building multi-million dollar schools on reserve only to go back a year later to see it vandalized or neglected.

We are getting to the point that we are done.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:41 pm
 


saga wrote:
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saga...such profanity my dear...I was not advocating any violence whatsover. I am merely voicing what I think many Canadians are thinking.


... and just what is that, PJB?
That we want to run a fucking mack truck into their retarded blockades. How do you like them apples granny?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:46 pm
 


PJB wrote:
saga...Do not insult me with the "They pay taxes too" bullshit. Show me any one living on reserve that pays municipal taxes. How can they? They don't own the property! Why is that? Because the chiefs would loose control over the people if they actually had control over their housing.

Give your friggin' head a shake. Who benefits when these claims are settled? Not the people of the reserve. It is the chief and council and their cronies.

If you want proof check out what is going on in many Alberta reserves.


Income taxes ... to the provincial government ... to the federal government ... off their paycheque ... just like you a$$hole!

Sales taxes ... to the provincial government ... to the federal government ... just like you a$$hole!!

Property taxes ... yes ... you pay municipal property taxes ... take a bow!
That's a pretty small chunk ... income taxes are the big hit.

But ... your point about this was that it is YOUR taxes that fund the reserves ... well ... it is their taxes too. hello?

..............

AHHHH ... now we come to the REAL issue!

The Band Councils ... the Canadian government band councils ... and BELIEVE ME ... I am with you there!!!

(Have you not attended this lecture before?)

They do not represent the people, they represent the government.

The Band Councils were imposed by Canada when it outlawed their democracy, spiritual traditions and laws.

Some of them still imitate the Indian Agents who stole their money (and land).

The Band Councils only want the money for the land, and they may bend over too ea$ily.

It is the traditional governments ... specifically the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) Confederacy who want the land back, and compensation for the settled areas.

There are things in this thread that you may have missed, PJB.

One of them is this...

Under Canadian law, they can assert Aboriginal title.
It is the rule of law in Canada ... and we are working on it and it will be done.

1-2% too much for ya ??
Can't afford that ???
Like I said ... send your big brother over then!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:53 pm
 


saga...For fuck sakes...The band councils are elected by the very band members.

Are you one of those that buys into the government control bullshit!

btw...On reserve income is federal and provincial tax free. On reserve fuel is tax free. Sales tax is either not paid or totally refunded on reserve. PST and GST is refundable if items are delivered on reserve.

We are talking about reserve land aren't we cuz that is what the natives want isn't it?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:01 pm
 


A COLLECTION OF VERY CRANKY QUOTES FROM THIS THREAD
... and my responses of course!

- It is Canada's land now, which means it is all of ours or is it the native way not to share..'We want all of it damnit!'
(SO ... WHO'S NOT SHARING?)
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saga...such profanity my dear...I was not advocating any violence whatsover. I am merely voicing what I think many Canadians are thinking.
... and just what is that?
That we want to run a fucking mack truck into their retarded blockades. How do you like them apples granny?
(MMM ... BETTER TAKE YOUR AFTERNOON DOSE OF RITALIN DEAR, and ... have you considered a career change? They need speed bumps at Limeridge I hear...)
........................................
saga...I think a rather large majority of Canadians are sick and tired of the 'Whoa is me', 'You stole my land', 'You owe me everything'. tirade.
We are sick of being held hostage every once in a while because someone doesn't get their way.
We are sick of having our children being called "FUCKING whitemen by kids in kindergarten.
Some of us are sick of building multi-million dollar schools on reserve only to go back a year later to see it vandalized or neglected.
We are getting to the point that we are done.

(SO phucking WHAT ... GONNA EAT YOUR GUN ... OR WHAT? NOT ON MY SHIFT A$$HOLE!!)

(crap ... the whining in here could shatter my glass eye, and I already lost my teeth skydiving ... sigh ... not getting lucky today ... thanks a lot!!)
( are there no decent men anymore ... who don't whine?
... just one ... somewhere?
WHO CAN PAY A 1-2% INCREASE IN INCOME TAXES WITHOUT WHINING?)
... because if you can agree to that, there won't have to be any more blockades.)

GET IT?

... and yes ... the new generations don't take that shit from the whiteman anymore.

Seems they learned something about EQUALITY and JUSTICE in school.


And I am not they ... just an irish-CANADIAN granny ... with a bone to pick with my country ... and we're allowed!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:04 pm
 


saga...give it up, I don't think that very many of us are buying the bullshit...


Have a good night cuz I have to WORK in the morning...Gotta earn my taxable income.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:12 pm
 


PJB wrote:
saga...give it up, I don't think that very many of us are buying the bullshit...


Have a good night cuz I have to WORK in the morning...Gotta earn my taxable income.


Good boy ... don't argue with granny ...
you need your beauty sleep

... and I ... having done my time in the rat race ... can start work in my pyjamas in the morning!!

Just one thought ... you seem concerned about how we can manage them.

They want to have the land and resources so they can manage themselves.

And unlike some, they will share.
And no, they are not interested in revenge... cept a few individuals here and there ... just like here.

Now get off your butts and tell the governments to get the friggen land claims done so we can ALL get over it!


but tomorrow, you will have to tell me just what "bullshit" you are referring to, honeybun!

but make sure you review my posts first ... sigh ...
I get SO BORED repeating myself!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:27 pm
 


Regina wrote:
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ps

I'M BAAACK !!!

Thank you for reinstating me mods! :wink:

The day isn't over.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How 'my doing Regina dear?
Am I still here?
Am I a just a figment of my imagination?
It is soooo hard to remember when you get old ... sigh...
Good night sweet prince!
(Was that good?)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:31 pm
 


saga..They want the lands and resources so they can manage themselves.

Show me one other group in this country that thinks that they are entitled to that?


Show me one group that actually worked to develop those resources that wants it all to themselves,

Canadians developed those resources so all of Canada can benefit from those resources,

If the Europeans educated the natives in one thing it was GREED!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:35 pm
 


saga wrote:
Regina wrote:
saga wrote:
ps

I'M BAAACK !!!

Thank you for reinstating me mods! :wink:

The day isn't over.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How 'my doing Regina dear?
Am I still here?
Am I a just a figment of my imagination?
It is soooo hard to remember when you get old ... sigh...
Good night sweet prince!
(Was that good?)
:wink:

Make sure they put your bed rails up..........hate to see you fall out......or get away.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:39 pm
 


PJB wrote:
saga...For fuck sakes...The band councils are elected by the very band members.

Are you one of those that buys into the government control bullshit!

btw...On reserve income is federal and provincial tax free. On reserve fuel is tax free. Sales tax is either not paid or totally refunded on reserve. PST and GST is refundable if items are delivered on reserve.

We are talking about reserve land aren't we cuz that is what the natives want isn't it?


Across Canada, only 3% of Indigenous people vote in the Band Council elections. They have basically boycotted them ever since Canada imposed them 80 years ago. They are CANADA's governments, not theirs. Theirs are traditional participatory democracies, not representative democracies like ours.

Yes, precisely, they pay all taxes except work and purchases ON the reserve. We are agreed.

They want whatever land (or compensation) was in their treaties and agreements. They want to be independent of Canada, also as in the treaties, so what they do on their land as far as taxes goes will be their business, and we can mind our own business. It is just business ... they need their land to support themselves ... in the ways we support ourselves today.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:49 pm
 


Regina wrote:
saga wrote:
Regina wrote:
saga wrote:
ps

I'M BAAACK !!!

Thank you for reinstating me mods! :wink:

The day isn't over.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How 'my doing Regina dear?
Am I still here?
Am I a just a figment of my imagination?
It is soooo hard to remember when you get old ... sigh...
Good night sweet prince!
(Was that good?)
:wink:

Make sure they put your bed rails up..........hate to see you fall out......or get away.


I'm touched! :oops: :D


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