[Red_Eye]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

Theres an Idea. Buy russian made fighters bend the U.S. nose out of joint.I bet it would way cheaper and we could build them better than they can.
The choice at the time was the F/A -18 or the F/A-15.
The F-15 had a better range which was more suited for this country. The choice was made by his truly P.E.T.
Never trust a politician for military needs.
My preferance for the time was the F-14, the latter model was ground attack capable.

Sorry saw top gun one too many times

Yea, that should always be a paramount air staff target on combat capability.
Procure an aircraft that will piss the yanks off. A great idea.
I'm sure our guys in Afghanistan would like CAP and close support aircraft chosen primarily to annoy our closest allies.

Do grow up.

actually you shouldn't take me seriously and read things into what I say because if you have noticed my prefferance was the F-14 , that doesn't really sound like a guy that was serious in his first line. Getting worked up tho isn't a sign of being grown up ....sorry but had to say it.

[EyeBrock]

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

Theres an Idea. Buy russian made fighters bend the U.S. nose out of joint.I bet it would way cheaper and we could build them better than they can.
The choice at the time was the F/A -18 or the F/A-15.
The F-15 had a better range which was more suited for this country. The choice was made by his truly P.E.T.
Never trust a politician for military needs.
My preferance for the time was the F-14, the latter model was ground attack capable.

Sorry saw top gun one too many times

Yea, that should always be a paramount air staff target on combat capability.
Procure an aircraft that will piss the yanks off. A great idea.
I'm sure our guys in Afghanistan would like CAP and close support aircraft chosen primarily to annoy our closest allies.

Do grow up.

actually you shouldn't take me seriously and read things into what I say because if you have noticed my prefferance was the F-14 , that doesn't really sound like a guy that was serious in his first line. Getting worked up tho isn't a sign of being grown up ....sorry but had to say it.

F14's stop being built a long time ago, so that idea is quite moot.
I'm not getting worked up old chap. I'm just calling it as it is.

[Red_Eye]

I'm very aware the the F-14 is outdate , my comment was in context to the decision back then.

[saturn_656]

Another point against the F-14 was its lack of multirole capabilities, if we bought the tomcat we'd have to also buy a ground attack aircraft. Our only real chance at getting the F-14 was Iran selling us hers and we passed it up to rescue a bunch of Yanks.

The things we do for those arseholes...

[Red_Eye]

Yeah well in all retrospective to the headaches we have between us and the states I wouldn't of changed a thing. The F-14 would of been more suited for a contental fighter for the range and missle platform. Just like it was concieved for , a long range Carrier protection against the Russian bombers. We had those exact needs.
But outside the content , I agree, a multi roll fighter was more economical and fills the needs.

[EyeBrock]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

Theres an Idea. Buy russian made fighters bend the U.S. nose out of joint.I bet it would way cheaper and we could build them better than they can.
The choice at the time was the F/A -18 or the F/A-15.
The F-15 had a better range which was more suited for this country. The choice was made by his truly P.E.T.
Never trust a politician for military needs.
My preferance for the time was the F-14, the latter model was ground attack capable.

Sorry saw top gun one too many times

Yea, that should always be a paramount air staff target on combat capability.
Procure an aircraft that will piss the yanks off. A great idea.
I'm sure our guys in Afghanistan would like CAP and close support aircraft chosen primarily to annoy our closest allies.

Do grow up.

actually you shouldn't take me seriously and read things into what I say because if you have noticed my prefferance was the F-14 , that doesn't really sound like a guy that was serious in his first line. Getting worked up tho isn't a sign of being grown up ....sorry but had to say it.

F14's stop being built a long time ago, so that idea is quite moot.
I'm not getting worked up old chap. I'm just calling it as it is.

I could have taken you a tad more seriously if you're post didn't have the ever-so-boring anti- American comment within it.
Really, it's very sad that some people need to justify how patriotic they are by slamming our closests allies for no apparent reason (in the context of this post).

[Red_Eye]

Actually that was just your perception. You read too much into it as I got over my anti American feelings.

[-Mario-]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Another point against the F-14 was its lack of multirole capabilities, if we bought the tomcat we'd have to also buy a ground attack aircraft. Our only real chance at getting the F-14 was Iran selling us hers and we passed it up to rescue a bunch of Yanks.

The things we do for those arseholes...

Most of the time we do it to ourselves.

For example, we have an elite force that is in afghanistan working for the Yanks. One of them gets the record for distance in killing an enemy. 2KM,450M. They come back to Canada they instead of being recognize by their own platoon, they are chastized.

To answer your initial point. The F-14 that Iran had, would have needed a better search radar. It would have been easy to had a ground support capability.

The following is a what the F-14 could do. BTW, it was considered a multirole fighter. It's primary function was an interceptor, mostly because the aircraft carriers already had a fighter-bomber, the intruder.

Function Carrier-based multi-role strike fighter
Contractor Grumman Aerospace Corporation
Unit Cost $38 million
Propulsion F-14: two Pratt & Whitney TF-30P-414A
turbofan engines with afterburners;

F-14B and F-14D: two General Electric F-110-GE-400
augmented turbofan engines with afterburners
Thrust F-14A: 20,900 pounds (9,405 kg) static thrust per engine;
F-14B and F-14D: 27,000 pounds (12,150 kg) per engine
Length 61 feet 9 inches (18.6 meters)
Height 16 feet (4.8 meters)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 72,900 pounds (32,805 kg)
Wingspan 64 feet (19 meters) unswept, 38 feet (11.4 meters) swept
Ceiling Above 53,000 feet
Speed Max Mach Number = 1.88
Cruise Mach Number = .72
Carrier Approach Speed = 125 kts
Mission Radius 500 nm Hi-Med-Hi strike profile
380 nm Hi-Lo-Lo-Hi strike profile
Crew Two: pilot and radar intercept officer
Armament Up to 13,000 pounds of

Air-to-Air Missiles (up to)
6 AIM-7 Sparrows
4 AIM-9 Sidewinder
6 AIM-54 Phoenix


air-to-ground ordnance
MK-82 (500 lbs.)
4 MK-83 (1,000 lbs.)
4 MK-84 (2,000 lbs.)
MK-20 cluster bomb
4 GBU-10 LGB
GBU-12 MK-82 LGB
4 GBU-16 MK-83 LGB
4 GBU-24 MK-84 LGB

one MK-61A1 Vulcan 20mm cannon

Selected F-14A and B are wired to carry TARPS
All F-14D's are wired to carry the TARPS
# Countermeasures AN/ALR-45 radar warning receiver [Itek]
# AN/ALR-67 radar warning receiver [F-14D]
# AN/ALQ-167 ECM Pod [F-14D]
# AN/ALE-50 towed decoy [F-14D]

[Red_Eye]

I still think that the F-14 revamped is an awsome Plane that would fill our needs.
But then again like i said seen Top Gun one too many times . Ever seen one up close? Big plane , very big beside the F-16

[EyeBrock]

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

Actually that was just your perception. You read too much into it as I got over my anti American feelings.

What's this then? A warm hand of friendship held out to our Yank chums?

Red eye quote:

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Theres an Idea. Buy russian made fighters bend the U.S. nose out of joint.

How else can 'bend the U.S nose out of joint' (sic) be taken?

[Red_Eye]

are you here to talk about planes or feed your ego by finding fault in others?
Stick to the topic..

[EyeBrock]

Red_Eye Red_Eye:

are you here to talk about planes or feed your ego by finding fault in others?
Stick to the topic..

I'm well versed on the topic, having spent 10 years in the Air Force. However if you intend to post shite on this forum, be prepared to be held accountable.
The dig against the US was unnecessary and added nothing to the debate so I called you on it.
If you don’t like it maybe this forum isn’t for you.

[-Mario-]

Could stay on topic gentlemen. lets stop the flaming.

[saturn_656]

-Mario- -Mario-:

The following is a what the F-14 could do. BTW, it was considered a multirole fighter. It's primary function was an interceptor, mostly because the aircraft carriers already had a fighter-bomber, the intruder.

The F-14 was only shoehorned into the ground attack role in the mid 90s b/c the A-6's were being paid off without replacement. Grumman designed the airframe from the get go with a ground attack in mind but there were zero installed avionics for the role.

Any tomcats we bought would have needed fleetwide upgrades before it could drop anything more than a dumb bomb.

[EyeBrock]

I hardly think I was ‘flaming’ Mario. There was nothing angry or abusive in my posts.

The original topic was on what a good aircraft the new Su-35 is.

The poster I addressed went on an anti-US slant and frankly, this sort of anti-US stuff is unwarranted and definitely not constructive.

Personally I see nothing wrong with holding people accountable for their posts.

In the interests of forum stability I take your input and I will chill out!

Per ardua ad Astra