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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:37 am
 


Title: N.W.T. floats carbon tax idea
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Posted By: wildrosegirl
Date: 2010-09-26 20:47:00
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:37 am
 


It's only a useful tax if something to clean up the environment is done with the money. It's not. Just another money grab.


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The tax itself helps to clean up the environment, because it reduces the use of pollutants. But sure, put it toward further projects - in Vancouver that would be improving transit.

What really frosts me is that BC sends coal to China without charging the tax. So we subsidize Chinese industry, hurt our own, so we can buy Chinese crap back from them. Our carbon still went into making that stuff, so when we consume it we're still polluting carbon. At least make the playing field level.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:07 am
 


andyt wrote:
What really frosts me is that BC sends coal to China without charging the tax. So we subsidize Chinese industry, hurt our own, so we can buy Chinese crap back from them. Our carbon still went into making that stuff, so when we consume it we're still polluting carbon. At least make the playing field level.


The problem with that is that China will just buy it somewhere else anyways. On the surface, it's a good idea, but all it will do is hurt the BC coal industry.


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bootlegga wrote:
andyt wrote:
What really frosts me is that BC sends coal to China without charging the tax. So we subsidize Chinese industry, hurt our own, so we can buy Chinese crap back from them. Our carbon still went into making that stuff, so when we consume it we're still polluting carbon. At least make the playing field level.


The problem with that is that China will just buy it somewhere else anyways. On the surface, it's a good idea, but all it will do is hurt the BC coal industry.


I get that. But the carbon tax hurts BC industry - at least spread the pain around. Sometimes you have to suffer a bit to do the right thing.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:16 pm
 


andyt wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
andyt wrote:
What really frosts me is that BC sends coal to China without charging the tax. So we subsidize Chinese industry, hurt our own, so we can buy Chinese crap back from them. Our carbon still went into making that stuff, so when we consume it we're still polluting carbon. At least make the playing field level.


The problem with that is that China will just buy it somewhere else anyways. On the surface, it's a good idea, but all it will do is hurt the BC coal industry.


I get that. But the carbon tax hurts BC industry - at least spread the pain around. Sometimes you have to suffer a bit to do the right thing.


Why?


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bootlegga wrote:
andyt wrote:
What really frosts me is that BC sends coal to China without charging the tax. So we subsidize Chinese industry, hurt our own, so we can buy Chinese crap back from them. Our carbon still went into making that stuff, so when we consume it we're still polluting carbon. At least make the playing field level.


The problem with that is that China will just buy it somewhere else anyways. On the surface, it's a good idea, but all it will do is hurt the BC coal industry.


not true, Canada has some of the cleanest coal in the world and our mines are some of the most efficient in the world( Australia really kicks our ass at times, its hard to compete with flat land strip mining, but we now have shovels with larger buckets than their average drag line)

Also, I think I read about a process that was developed( by the canadian coal association) that enables countries to save more money by adding more Canadian coal to their steel processes.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:44 pm
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
andyt wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
I get that. But the carbon tax hurts BC industry - at least spread the pain around. Sometimes you have to suffer a bit to do the right thing.


Why?


That's the way God wants it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:18 am
 


BC, isn't green, to many hypocritical hippies to be green.


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Hope the idea gets floated right out into the Arctic Ocean.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:58 am
 


ASLplease wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
andyt wrote:
What really frosts me is that BC sends coal to China without charging the tax. So we subsidize Chinese industry, hurt our own, so we can buy Chinese crap back from them. Our carbon still went into making that stuff, so when we consume it we're still polluting carbon. At least make the playing field level.


The problem with that is that China will just buy it somewhere else anyways. On the surface, it's a good idea, but all it will do is hurt the BC coal industry.


not true, Canada has some of the cleanest coal in the world and our mines are some of the most efficient in the world( Australia really kicks our ass at times, its hard to compete with flat land strip mining, but we now have shovels with larger buckets than their average drag line)

Also, I think I read about a process that was developed( by the canadian coal association) that enables countries to save more money by adding more Canadian coal to their steel processes.


Where do you think china gets most of their coal from? It ain't Canada, it's Australia.

My point was that if we put a tax on our coal being exported, it could be higher in price than that of our competitors, prompting China to buy from someone other than BC (like Alberta maybe).


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:21 am
 


im not sure if alberta sells metalurgical coal, i believe their coal is thermal coal produced for their electric power plants.


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bootlegga wrote:

Where do you think china gets most of their coal from? It ain't Canada, it's Australia.

My point was that if we put a tax on our coal being exported, it could be higher in price than that of our competitors, prompting China to buy from someone other than BC (like Alberta maybe).


Then put in a green tax on all Chinese products coming into BC, catch them at the other end.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:14 am
 


andyt wrote:
bootlegga wrote:

Where do you think china gets most of their coal from? It ain't Canada, it's Australia.

My point was that if we put a tax on our coal being exported, it could be higher in price than that of our competitors, prompting China to buy from someone other than BC (like Alberta maybe).


Then put in a green tax on all Chinese products coming into BC, catch them at the other end.


Now that is workable, although China would probably be able to sue us under the WTO.


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