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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:02 pm
 


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011 ... caust.html

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Many Palestinians are reluctant to acknowledge Jewish suffering, fearing it would diminish recognition of their own claims. Views range from outright denial to challenging the scope of the Holocaust.
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As such, recognizing the Holocaust is often seen as tantamount to acknowledging Jewish claims to the land.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:15 pm
 


The Holocaust in The Second World War as a whole isn't only about the Jewish suffering which in Fact was called the "Final Solution". Russians, Homosexuals, Gypsies, political prisoners ect., are all part of the Holocaust in WW II. It's part of History and should be acknowledged as allowed in all schools.

However you also have the German Holocaust from 1945-1950, in which 14,000,000 Germans were systematically murdered or in most cases starved ect. to death.

Read the "Eisenhower's Death Camps".


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:47 pm
 


Your numbers are BS. The 14 million refers to the approximate number of Germans who were expelled from former German territories. These include lands annexed during Nazi occupations, former German ethnic enclaves in Russia and eastern Europe and those who were expelled from what is now western Poland to make up for lands lost to Russia. Some died, yes but nowhere near the numbers you give.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:08 pm
 


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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/22/hamas-un-holocaust.html

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Many Palestinians are reluctant to acknowledge Jewish suffering, fearing it would diminish recognition of their own claims. Views range from outright denial to challenging the scope of the Holocaust.
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As such, recognizing the Holocaust is often seen as tantamount to acknowledging Jewish claims to the land.



Palestine: an either country of deniers.

And everything as usual at the CBC regarding anything anti-Muslim:
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However you also have the German Holocaust from 1945-1950, in which 14,000,000 Germans were systematically murdered or in most cases starved ect. to death.

Read the "Eisenhower's Death Camps".


Complete junk. Got any other IHR-approved propaganda for us?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:01 am
 


Spaniard wrote:
The Holocaust in The Second World War as a whole isn't only about the Jewish suffering which in Fact was called the "Final Solution". Russians, Homosexuals, Gypsies, political prisoners ect., are all part of the Holocaust in WW II. It's part of History and should be acknowledged as allowed in all schools.

However you also have the German Holocaust from 1945-1950, in which 14,000,000 Germans were systematically murdered or in most cases starved ect. to death.

Read the "Eisenhower's Death Camps".

Close to 2 million starved? Possibly. 14 million? You've got to be trolling.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:31 am
 


It's a pathetic attempt to trivialize the Holocaust.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:12 am
 


Spaniard wrote:
However you also have the German Holocaust from 1945-1950, in which 14,000,000 Germans were systematically murdered or in most cases starved ect. to death.

Read the "Eisenhower's Death Camps".

One of the most poorly educated statements I've ever seen on this site. You hang out on rense.com ??


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ShepherdsDog wrote:
It's a pathetic attempt to trivialize the Holocaust.


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Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation 1944-1950

by James Bacque 2003

More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War - one quarter of the country was annexed, and about fifteen million people expelled in the largest act of ethnic cleansing the world has ever known. Western governments continue to conceal and deny these deaths. At the same time, Herbert Hoover and Canadian Prime Minister MacKenzie King created the largest charity in history, a food-aid program that saved an estimated 800 million lives during three years of global struggle against post-Second World War famine - a program the German people were initially excluded from as a matter of official Allied policy. Revised and updated for this new edition, "Crimes and Mercies" was first published by Little, Brown in the UK in 1997, becoming an immediate best seller.

A Review of James Bacque's "Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation 1944-1950" by Eric Blair According to Bacque, given the extraordinarily harsh conditions imposed upon them by the Allies (i.e., the British, French, Soviets, and Americans), at least 9.3 million and possibly as many as 13.7 million Germans, had, by 1950, needlessly died as a result.

-------------------TOTALS OF DEATHS
--------------------------------Minimum ----------Maximum
Expellees (1945-50) ----2,100,000 ---------6,000,000
Prisoners (1941-50)-----1,500,000----------2,000,000
Residents (1946-50)-----5,700,000---------5,700,000
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Totals----------------------9,300,000 ---------13,700,000

"Expellees" refers to the 16,000,000 ethnic Germans who were driven from their ancestral homelands in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and elsewhere in Europe, at war's end.

These included mostly women and children and elderly men who, with a few belongings in hand and running the gauntlet of deep, local animosity, set out upon the open road toward the rump state of Germany.





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WWII B-24 VE "Trolley Missions", Prisoner of War Temporary Enclosures (PWTEs) for German POWs at Remagen (Deutsch Kriegsgefangenen)
This photo was taken by Co-pilot James Beadling on May 10, 1945 from the B-24 Liberator Wazzle Dazzle during the Victory in Europe B-24 Fly over of the target areas.

"Prisoners of War in the "Golden Mile"
Following the unexpected crossing of the river Rhine by American troops in Remagen on 7 March 1945 and the long prepared Rhine crossing near Wesel on 23 March 1945 the whole Ruhr area was surrounded including more than 300,000 German soldiers. The number of German prisoners of war was increased tremendously by the advance of Allied Troops.

To the west of the Rhine, Prisoner of War Temporary Enclosures (PWTEs) housing 50,000 each were created near Rheinberg, Remagen and Bad Kreuznach. After a short time, these proved to be too small. More enclosures were created, 17 in all.

According to American reports at the end of April, more than 169,036 prisoners of war were in the PWTE Remagen. Additionally the nearby enclosure was created at Sinzig. On 8 May Sinzig housed 118,563 POWs and Remagen 134,029 POWs.


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Rheinwiesenlager War crimes Deaths of POWs from starvation and exposure no prosecutions. The Rheinwiesenlager (Rhine meadow camps) were transit camps for millions of German POWs after World War II; there were potentially tens of thousands of deaths from starvation and exposure. Estimates range from just over 3,000 to 71,000.

Source; U.S. (and French) abuse of German PoWs, 1945-1948.
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The worst US temporary enclosures were the 16 "Rheinwiesenlager" ("Rhine meadow camps"). 557,000 PoWs were held from Apr. to July 45 in the six worst of these: Bad Kreuznach-Bretzenheim, Remagen-Sinzig, Rheinberg, Heidesheim, Wickrathberg, and Büderich . The Maschke Commission would later tabulate 4,537 parish-registered deaths in these 6 worst RWLs, 774 from the others. They thought the actual death toll might be twice this, but were skeptical of an eyewitness claim of 32,000 deaths.


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June, 1945 US POW camp in Germany

"Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army casually annihilated 1 million German men, most of them in American camps. Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."

--Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
101st Airborne Division, "Senior Historian", United States Army!

Source US National Archives National Park.


I have Pages of information in this matter, this will be my last Post on this thread.

The above is supported by Richard Overy, King's College, University of London; Otto Kimminich, University of Regensburg; Dr Alfred De Zayas, author of many books on postwar German history; Prof. Dr. Peter Hoffmann, McGill University, author of the most expert books on the German resistance; Prof. J. K. Johnson, Carleton University, Ottawa; Professor Ralph Raico, University of Buffalo; Prof. Ed Peterson, University of Wisconsin; Prof Ralph Scott, University of Iowa; Prof. Pierre Van Den Berghe, University of Seattle; Prof. Dr Richard Mueller, former head, Department of English, University of Aachen; Prof. Hans Koch, University of York and many others.

Supported by Julian Barnes; Nikolai Tolstoy; John Fraser, Master of Massey College, Toronto; John Bemrose of Toronto; Robert Kroetsch, Winnipeg; and many others.

And US Army military historian Col. Dr. Ernest F. Fisher, a former Senior Historian of the US Army Center for Military History, Washington.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:33 am
 


Ignorance has no bounds.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:48 am
 


Spaniard wrote:
I have Pages of information in this matter, this will be my last Post on this thread.

Translation: I can copy and past more dribble from various revisionist web sites, but since the arguments are not my own I can't defend my position. Drive by post complete!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:22 am
 


Spaniard wrote:
I have Pages of information in this matter, this will be my last Post on this thread.

I certainly hope so. 8O


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:58 am
 


Other than his fiction, anything historical that was written by James Bacque should be taken as somewhat suspect. :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:02 am
 


I can't judge the accuracy of Spaniard's figures. But among them is a claim McKenzie King and Herbert Hoover created a charity that saved 800 million lives post WWII. Who are these 800 million, since even today there are barely 800 million people in geographical Europe.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:00 am
 


andyt wrote:
I can't judge the accuracy of Spaniard's figures. But among them is a claim McKenzie King and Herbert Hoover created a charity that saved 800 million lives post WWII. Who are these 800 million, since even today there are barely 800 million people in geographical Europe.


Mr. Andyt, I would of been very suspicious of 800 Million in Europe.
However read again it clearly states a "Global Program" world wide program not only Europe.


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