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Should Israel have been created?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:55 pm
 


Should the Jews have been allowed a nation in their relgious and national homeland?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:18 pm
 


at the time it seemed like a very good idea. but now that the world has seen all the shit that has arisen from it, it might have been a good idea to gice them a chunk of northern africa, maybe the mediterainian coast east of spanish morocco.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:19 pm
 


hamiltonguyo wrote:
Should the Jews have been allowed a nation in their relgious and national homeland?


Simple answer – in lieu of the unique historical context, yes.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:25 pm
 


If it was their homeland, they would have been living there.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:05 pm
 


It's everyone's holy land. I know I'm gonna sound like a hippy when I say this, but:


It belongs to everyone. It is everyone's holy land. The Christians, the Jews, the Muslims. It all belongs to them. Which is why all this fighting between the Jews and Muslims about to who the land belongs to, makes me sick.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:13 pm
 


This really is a hard question, and there were many aspects to the creation of Israel.

But i tend to lean in the direction that it wasn't a good idea. It was not there territory at the time, it was taken from others. So of course the others are going to be pissed, and i don't think they are all that wrong to be upset from there perspective, we forgot that there is always 2 sides to a story. But the way things have turned and the way that they express there anger is not acceptable. And I really can't blame the isralies now for defending themselfs.

So it really is a tricky thing, and i think it was only the circumstances from WW2, holocost, that allowed the Israel state to be created in such a way without strong opposition.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:16 pm
 


Jaime_Souviens wrote:
If it was their homeland, they would have been living there.


How very ignorant to suggest no jews were living there during everything

yes more came during the late 1800's and early 1900's but the fact remains this was their homeland...

so you were all in favour of a state for the palestinian arbas who were recent arrivals compared to the Jewish nation yet you favour deporting the jews off to north africa where they don't want to live and historically have never controlled that area....


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:17 pm
 


Arctic_Menace wrote:
It's everyone's holy land. I know I'm gonna sound like a hippy when I say this, but:


It belongs to everyone. It is everyone's holy land. The Christians, the Jews, the Muslims. It all belongs to them. Which is why all this fighting between the Jews and Muslims about to who the land belongs to, makes me sick.


The old testament which is holy to all three claims that the entire place was given to the jews so if the issue is religious why don't the palestinians pack up and leave?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:25 pm
 


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This really is a hard question, and there were many aspects to the creation of Israel.

But i tend to lean in the direction that it wasn't a good idea. It was not there territory at the time, it was taken from others. So of course the others are going to be pissed, and i don't think they are all that wrong to be upset from there perspective, we forgot that there is always 2 sides to a story. But the way things have turned and the way that they express there anger is not acceptable. And I really can't blame the isralies now for defending themselfs.

So it really is a tricky thing, and i think it was only the circumstances from WW2, holocost, that allowed the Israel state to be created in such a way without strong opposition.


not their territory? hell it was taken from them in the first place...

many jews continued to live in Palestine even after it was taken over

when they began to return they did not go to farms and just kick the Palestinians off the land they bought mostly unused land from absentee landlords...

Although the Jews got more of Palestine percentage wise than people would have you believe they derserved based on their population, They were a majority in the area made into Israel. Most of the land the Israeli's had was the Negev which is very sparsley populated and distorts the figures to make it look like the Israelis got more of Palestine than they deserved.

What would you have done in 1947 instead of creating Israel?

would you deport all the jews? if it was one state they would have been killed by the palestinians. The only options really were

1) Jewish areas become Israel, Arab areas become Palestine
2) Remove all jews from Palestine
3)Let the Palestinian Jews be killed


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:26 pm
 


Because it is still their holy land aswell. It is holy to the Muslims, as Muhammad ascended to Heaven in Jerusalem, Christ died in Israel/Palestine, And Moses did something amazing on the same spot where Muhammad ascended to heaven, but of course, hundreds of years earlier. It has significance to everyone......


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:30 pm
 


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Because it is still their holy land aswell. It is holy to the Muslims, as Muhammad ascended to Heaven in Jerusalem, Christ died in Israel/Palestine, And Moses did something amazing on the same spot where Muhammad ascended to heaven, but of course, hundreds of years earlier. It has significance to everyone......


Just a little note moses was red sea and sinai

I am not saying there are not holy sites to all three in that area but

all three believe in the Old Testament and therefore according to their beliefs it is Jewish Holy Land...

therefore either they are ignorant about their own religion or it is being used as a political tool


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:32 pm
 


Everyone has done that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Jews march into Palestine, killed a couple thousand Canaanites, and called the land theirs?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:35 pm
 


Yep and the Cananites are gone and can't make any land claims

so the jews are the oldest surving owners to the claim of the land

and even the palestinian's religion says the land belongs to the jew so I honestly don't understand why muslims call for the extermination of Israel...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:44 pm
 


That's Muslim extremists, not all Muslims........


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:54 pm
 


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That's Muslim extremists, not all Muslims........


yes but my point is there not even good muslim extremists


and just who is running palestine right now btw?


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