[BartSimpson]

DerbyX wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

You are confusing leftism for some nanny state ideology.

It works both ways.

Name a leftist state where people have the freedom not to participate in all government programs?

Canada. Name a right wing state that doesn't trample a given amount of personal freedoms.

Alaska.

The State of Alaska pretty much leaves people alone to do what they want. Even ex-convicts are typically tolerated (in practice) to possess a long gun so long as they behave themselves. Federal laws that are enforced by other states are typically given lip service in Alaska except in the major municipalities of Juneau, Fairbanks, and Anchorage. Even then, Federal influence is frequently ignored.

Many rural communities are practically sovereign.

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

You are confusing leftism for some nanny state ideology.

It works both ways.

Name a leftist state where people have the freedom not to participate in all government programs?

Canada. Name a right wing state that doesn't trample a given amount of personal freedoms.

Alaska.

The State of Alaska pretty much leaves people alone to do what they want. Even ex-convicts are typically tolerated (in practice) to possess a long gun so long as they behave themselves. Federal laws that are enforced by other states are typically given lip service in Alaska except in the major municipalities of Juneau, Fairbanks, and Anchorage. Even then, Federal influence is frequently ignored.

Many rural communities are practically sovereign.

Name a state or country beginning with D that employs an oligarchy gov't and has purple in their flag?

By now we can both agree that ascribing right or left ideology is simply wrong when dealing with extremists govt's. Leftist ideology wasn't the basis for the similiar social aspects the nazis employed, it was control. As with all extremists govt's control, is the first, last, and middle defining principle. Hitler did everything he did with total control in mind as did Stalin, Mao, whoever. Military, religion, patriotism, and politics were all just tools to achieve control.

Fuckwits like yetoboy spew moronic logic in a deplorable attempt to link an ideology he hates to every despotic gov't on the planet in complete disregard to all facts. You are better then that. Aspects of the left and right can be easily attributed to any such gov't but always a distorted variation of it.

You know that your religion can and has been used in just the same way but does that invalidate it the way you seemed to be hinting that fate belonged to leftist ideology?

[sasquatch2]

Mainland China is according, to you and their own government,a communist state while their capitalist economy and totalitarian imperialist government are more correctly fascist.

Just because the Bolsheviks/Marxist/Leninists lable the nazi's far right does not make it any more valid than their other lies.

[Mustang1]

sasquatch2 wrote:

Just because the Bolsheviks/Marxist/Leninists lable the nazi's far right does not make it any more valid than their other lies.

Yep...big conspiracy. You called it, Hillbilly, the universities are full of sheep being led by evil, agenda-pushing, Bolsheviks that simply make up history. And no one had called it, till you broke out the trucker logic. Bravo. If only you had actually gone to university, majored in history and had a clue, this might me more than a tinfoil laugh.

[sasquatch2]

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You called it, Hillbilly, the universities are full of sheep being led by evil, agenda-pushing, Bolsheviks that simply make up history.

Not all of us were sheep---sheeple.

[Mustang1]

sasquatch2 wrote:

Quote:

You called it, Hillbilly, the universities are full of sheep being led by evil, agenda-pushing, Bolsheviks that simply make up history.

Not all of us were sheep---sheeple.

You didn't go, so fire up the tinfoil lid, Hillbilly, and befuddle away!

[hurley_108]

Mustang1 wrote:

sasquatch2 wrote:

Quote:

You called it, Hillbilly, the universities are full of sheep being led by evil, agenda-pushing, Bolsheviks that simply make up history.

Not all of us were sheep---sheeple.

You didn't go, so fire up the tinfoil lid, Hillbilly, and befuddle away!

Befuddle? He'd make more sense if he wrote in befunge.

[Streaker]

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Yale Study:
U.S. Eugenics Paralleled Nazi Germany
by David Morgan


PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - U.S. doctors who once believed that sterilization could help rid society of mental illness and crime launched a 20th century eugenics movement that in some ways paralleled the policies of Nazi Germany, researchers said on Monday.

A Yale study tracing a once-popular movement aimed at improving society through selective breeding, indicates that state-authorized sterilizations were carried out longer and on a larger scale in the United States than previously believed, beginning with the first state eugenics law in Indiana in 1907.

Despite modern assumptions that American interest in eugenics waned during the 1920s, researchers said sterilization laws had authorized the neutering of more than 40,000 people classed as insane or ``feebleminded'' in 30 states by 1944.

Another 22,000 underwent sterilization from the mid-1940s to 1963, despite weakening public support and revelations of Nazi atrocities, according to the study, funded by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and the Merck Co. Foundation.

Forced sterilization was legal in 18 U.S. states, and most states with eugenics laws allowed people to be sterilized without their consent by leaving the decision to a third party.

``The comparative histories of the eugenical sterilization campaigns in the United States and Nazi Germany reveal important similarities of motivation, intent and strategy,'' the study's authors wrote in the Annals of Internal Medicine, a journal published by the American College of Physicians-American Society of Internal Medicine.

Eugenics sprang from the philosophy of social Darwinism, which envisioned human society in terms of natural selection and suggested that science could engineer progress by attacking supposedly hereditary problems including moral decadence, crime, venereal disease, tuberculosis and alcoholism.

``The eugenics laws in the United States were virulent, just as they were in Sweden, France and Australia,'' said Art Caplan, head of the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Bioethics.

The U.S. practice ended in the 1960s after being overwhelmed by court challenges and the civil rights movement.

German and American eugenics advocates both believed science could solve social problems, tended to measure the worth of the individual in economic terms and felt mental illness a threat to society grave enough to warrant compulsive sterilization.

And while Nazi claims of Aryan superiority are well known, researchers said U.S. advocates of sterilization worried that the survival of old-stock America was being threatened by the influx of ``lower races'' from southern and eastern Europe.

There was also mutual admiration, with early U.S. policies drawing glowing reviews from authorities in pre-Nazi Germany.

``Germany is perhaps the most progressive nation in restricting fecundity among the unfit,'' editors of the New England Journal of Medicine wrote in 1934, a year after Hitler became chancellor.

U.S. Eugenics Movement Waned

But the study, based partly on old editorials from the New England journal and the Journal of the American Medical Association, also demonstrated how the U.S. eugenics movement gradually waned while its Nazi counterpart carried out 360,000 to 375,000 sterilizations during the 1930s and grew to encompass so-called ``mercy'' killings.

``In the United States, a combination of public unease, Roman Catholic opposition, federal democracy, judicial review and critical scrutiny by the medical profession reversed the momentum,'' the article said.

The U.S. practice of neutering ``mentally defective'' individuals was backed by most leading geneticists and often justified on grounds that it would relieve the public of the cost of caring for future generations of the mentally ill.

Sterilizations also took place mainly in public mental institutions, where the poor and ethnic or racial minorities were housed in disproportionately high numbers.

``It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind,'' Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote in the majority opinion of a landmark eugenics case in 1926.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm

[djakeydd]

Eugenics has reached a plateau that Hitler could only dream of. Cloning and hybridization (including humans) has been going on for some time now. Can I produce proof, fraid not, but the speculation and frantic behind the scenes work on this has been going on for decades and has likely come close to it's nadir. It is a sickening abomination, stuff that would make Hitler look like a schoolboy.

[xerxes]

Just like Kramer and his Pigman, right?

[djakeydd]

xerxes wrote:

Just like Kramer and his Pigman, right?

Not sure, havent checked that one out, but sounds about right