The former military base has been vacant since 2004 when the Princess Patricia�s Canadian Light Infantry relocated to Shilo. More than 100 houses have stood empty since then.
Right, lets give the homes to the homeless! Now what, the homeless cant look after them, so either let them degrade into squalor or you will have to hire someone to be a caretaker for the homes. Which will cost more money and give up more problems. Screw it, they should do what Edmonton did to the PMQs on Griesbach, sell the small ones off as cottages and move them out of the area for 100,000 a pop or refurbish them and then sell/rent them out.
Also why is it that when a group of old bitties toss on some floppy hats and dress like drag queens, so they can 'protest' before have a nice lunch and tea, people give them heaps of attention. They have no plan, and no real goal, its just a social gathering for them and should be thought of a senile old kooks. They disrupt people who are trying to work just so they can get a little attention.
"Guy_Fawkes" said Right, lets give the homes to the homeless! Now what, the homeless cant look after them, so either let them degrade into squalor or you will have to hire someone to be a caretaker for the homes. Which will cost more money and give up more problems. Screw it, they should do what Edmonton did to the PMQs on Griesbach, sell the small ones off as cottages and move them out of the area for 100,000 a pop or refurbish them and then sell/rent them out.
Also why is it that when a group of old bitties toss on some floppy hats and dress like drag queens, so they can 'protest' before have a nice lunch and tea, people give them heaps of attention. They have no plan, and no real goal, its just a social gathering for them and should be thought of a senile old kooks. They disrupt people who are trying to work just so they can get a little attention.
I think you missed this part:
offered the homes for free to Peguis First Nation
Vic Toews has no plan, and no real goal, its just a social gathering for him and he should be thought of as a senile old kook.
I got that, offering them to the local native reserve is a plan. I dont know why they wouldnt want them, unless they are already on the verge of being condemed. He is trying to give them to a group which he hopes will make use of them, its the lawyers that are holding this up no Toews.
"Guy_Fawkes" said Mold maybe, they have been sitting around vacant for a while. Asbestos, no.
Asbestos yes. Vermiculite insulation was used in the attics of many PMQ's across Canada. My mother lived in one of the Griesbach PMQ's and was told to not enter the attic.
What is vermiculite insulation?
Vermiculite is a naturally occurring mineral that has the unusual property of expanding into worm-like accordion shaped pieces when heated. The expanded vermiculite is a lightweight, fire-resistant, absorbent, and odourless material. These properties allow vermiculite to be used to make numerous products, including insulation most commonly for attics. It can be purchased in various forms for various uses. Sizes of vermiculite products range from very fine particles to large coarse pieces nearly an inch long. Vermiculite that�s used in attics is a pour-in-place, gravel looking, insulation that�s usually light brown or gold in colour. Property owners, building maintenance personnel and those involved in real estate transaction process should be aware of the presence of vermiculite insulation and give careful consideration to its impact on the property and its occupants, now, in the past and in the future.
Asbestos Contamination - Prior to its closing in 1990, much of the world�s supply of vermiculite, according to the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), came from a mine near Libby, Montana owned by W.R. Grace. This mine had naturally occurring deposits of asbestos that contaminated the vermiculite. It is thought that most of their production contained at least trace amounts of asbestos fibre. Although vermiculite processed with a binder (such as concrete and plaster mixes, sprayed, fireproofing, etc.) is unlikely to ever release significant airborne asbestos, loose fill products do pose a risk, causing substantial asbestos exposure when disturbed. This asbestos-contaminated insulation from this mine was installed in many Canadian buildings, most of which were homes, but also in commercial, institutional and industrial buildings. Use in Canadian residential construction heightened with the CHIP Program between 1977 and 1984, the same program under which most Urea Formaldehyde Foam Insulation (UFFI) was installed. Vermiculite Insulation Sources - Vermiculite is used in a variety of products for both commercial and consumer use, including building materials. Processed raw ore was shipped to many plants in Canada for exfoliation or expanding where it was heated to about 1000�C causing it to expand into a lightweight granular looking material.
Almost all vermiculite insulation was sold under the trade name Zonolite. The loose fill insulation was used inside masonry block walls (the largest volume use), stove pipe and stack insulation, fire separations, cold rooms and in walls & attics (mostly of homes).
How does asbestos cause health problems?
Perhaps the most typical problem associated with asbestos comes from airborne particles that are inhaled. When asbestos is intact it is usually not a problem however when it is friable state, for example, readily crumbled, brittle, breaking down, deteriorating, damaged or disturbed) it can become airborne. As a result, persons may breathe in asbestos fibres. Continued exposure increases the amount of fibres that remain in the lung. Fibres embedded in lung tissue over time may result in lung diseases such as asbestosis, lung cancer, or mesothelioma. Smoking increases your risk of developing illness from asbestos exposure. Exposure to asbestos for prolonged periods or at high concentrations increases the risk of lung cancer and other respiratory diseases.
What to do if vermiculite insulation is present?
According to the US EPA and ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry) DO NOT DISTURB IT. Limit the number of trips made to your attic. Shortening the length of those trips can help limit your potential exposure. Any disturbance has the potential to release asbestos fibres into the air.
* Do not disturb vermiculite insulation. * Do not store boxes or other items in your attic if retrieving the material will disturb the insulation. * Do not allow children to play in open areas where vermiculite insulation is present. * If you plan to remodel or conduct renovations that would disturb the vermiculite, hire professionals trained and certified to handle asbestos to safely remove the material. * Do not attempt to remove vermiculite insulation yourself. Hire professionals trained and certified to safely remove the material.
Health Canada states: �to be safe and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is reasonable to assume that if your building has older vermiculite-based insulation, it may contain some amphibole asbestos�.
Further, there may be potential liabilities associated with vermiculite insulation e.g. homes containing it may have a stigma attached to them that may affect the value of the home; there may be costs associated with any removal / disposal; and or, costs associated with ensuring the area containing vermiculite is sealed off from living spaces and remains undisturbed in the event renovations are contemplated.
Vermiculite is a mica-like material mined around the world. It has been widely used as insulation because of its good thermal and fire-resistant qualities. In 2004 Health Canada informed the Government of Canada of the possible health effects of vermiculite. The Department of National Defence (DND) housing portfolio is representative of all housing constructed during a similar period across Canada, and has the potential to contain commonly installed building materials that may be considered hazardous according to current standards. The installation of vermiculite attic insulation in DND housing occurred from approximately the 1950s until the material was removed from the Canadian market in approximately the mid-to-late 1980s. DND and the Canadian Forces Housing Agency (CFHA) are taking a proactive approach to protect DND employees, Canadian Forces (CF) members and their families from coming in contact with this insulation product should it exist in their workplace or housing units. Vermiculite Management
Following the Health Canada bulletin, CFHA and DND engaged in a phased approach to determine where the Department has used vermiculite, and implement a comprehensive management plan. According to testing results, the vermiculite insulation in some DND housing units is known to contain asbestos.
To date, 100% of the units in CFHA�s portfolio have undergone visual inspection to identify the presence of vermiculite insulation. In light of the results, and as suggested by Health Canada, CFHA sealed all joints and cracks around ventilation or lighting fixtures in ceilings adjacent to attic spaces in all units identified as containing vermiculite insulation (representing currently 15.9% of the Agency�s portfolio).
There is no evidence that vermiculite presents a risk if left inaccessible and undisturbed, and as such, it is DND's policy (according to the DND/CF Asbestos Management Directive) to use "in place" management practices for asbestos-containing materials that are considered to be in good condition and that are enclosed and/or inaccessible, except during the course of demolition or renovation or in other cases where the product must be handled, dealt with, disturbed or removed.
At an earlier event in Winnipeg on Monday, Toews said the feds have offered the homes for free to Peguis First Nation but a court injunction filed by the reserve and six other bands prevents the transfer.
This makes no sense.
But of course, give it to natives who already have homes, instead of to 2nd nations people who don't.
"HaRdLy" said http://www.cfha-alfc.forces.gc.ca/lib-bib/vermiculite-eng.aspx
Fact Sheet - Vermiculite Background
Vermiculite is a mica-like material mined around the world. It has been widely used as insulation because of its good thermal and fire-resistant qualities. In 2004 Health Canada informed the Government of Canada of the possible health effects of vermiculite. The Department of National Defence (DND) housing portfolio is representative of all housing constructed during a similar period across Canada, and has the potential to contain commonly installed building materials that may be considered hazardous according to current standards. The installation of vermiculite attic insulation in DND housing occurred from approximately the 1950s until the material was removed from the Canadian market in approximately the mid-to-late 1980s. DND and the Canadian Forces Housing Agency (CFHA) are taking a proactive approach to protect DND employees, Canadian Forces (CF) members and their families from coming in contact with this insulation product should it exist in their workplace or housing units. Vermiculite Management
Following the Health Canada bulletin, CFHA and DND engaged in a phased approach to determine where the Department has used vermiculite, and implement a comprehensive management plan. According to testing results, the vermiculite insulation in some DND housing units is known to contain asbestos.
To date, 100% of the units in CFHA�s portfolio have undergone visual inspection to identify the presence of vermiculite insulation. In light of the results, and as suggested by Health Canada, CFHA sealed all joints and cracks around ventilation or lighting fixtures in ceilings adjacent to attic spaces in all units identified as containing vermiculite insulation (representing currently 15.9% of the Agency�s portfolio).
There is no evidence that vermiculite presents a risk if left inaccessible and undisturbed, and as such, it is DND's policy (according to the DND/CF Asbestos Management Directive) to use "in place" management practices for asbestos-containing materials that are considered to be in good condition and that are enclosed and/or inaccessible, except during the course of demolition or renovation or in other cases where the product must be handled, dealt with, disturbed or removed.
I stand corrected, good find. I had never been told anything about the attics. Although I'm pretty sure that 15.9% number is quite a bit lower since any time someone leaves a PMQ now they renovate the place. They should examine the Q's and demolish those that contain vermiculite.
"andyt" said This makes no sense.
But of course, give it to natives who already have homes, instead of to 2nd nations people who don't.
If they wanted to make an impact, they could make them into low income housing. I still think, however, they should pick up on Edmonton's lead.
At an earlier event in Winnipeg on Monday, Toews said the feds have offered the homes for free to Peguis First Nation but a court injunction filed by the reserve and six other bands prevents the transfer.
This makes no sense.
But of course, give it to natives who already have homes, instead of to 2nd nations people who don't.
The problem is Peguis First Nation has a land claim to Kapyong. The government can't sell that land but they could give it away. The Grannies were there to suggest they do that rather than create a urban reserve beside well-to-do community of Tuxedo.
Property values will drop like a priest's pants in a room full of boys, and insurance deductibles will rocket. Not a good situation for the city's coffers.
"ShepherdsDog" said Property values will drop like a priest's pants in a room full of boys, and insurance deductibles will rocket. Not a good situation for the city's coffers.
I wonder.. Why not knock them down, use the land to widen Kenaston Blvd, and build a nice parkway and/or "rapid transit"?
Vic Toews office is going to be a busy place this summer.
Also why is it that when a group of old bitties toss on some floppy hats and dress like drag queens, so they can 'protest' before have a nice lunch and tea, people give them heaps of attention. They have no plan, and no real goal, its just a social gathering for them and should be thought of a senile old kooks. They disrupt people who are trying to work just so they can get a little attention.
Right, lets give the homes to the homeless! Now what, the homeless cant look after them, so either let them degrade into squalor or you will have to hire someone to be a caretaker for the homes. Which will cost more money and give up more problems. Screw it, they should do what Edmonton did to the PMQs on Griesbach, sell the small ones off as cottages and move them out of the area for 100,000 a pop or refurbish them and then sell/rent them out.
Also why is it that when a group of old bitties toss on some floppy hats and dress like drag queens, so they can 'protest' before have a nice lunch and tea, people give them heaps of attention. They have no plan, and no real goal, its just a social gathering for them and should be thought of a senile old kooks. They disrupt people who are trying to work just so they can get a little attention.
I think you missed this part:
Vic Toews has no plan, and no real goal, its just a social gathering for him and he should be thought of as a senile old kook.
Mold maybe, they have been sitting around vacant for a while. Asbestos, no.
Asbestos yes. Vermiculite insulation was used in the attics of many PMQ's across Canada. My mother lived in one of the Griesbach PMQ's and was told to not enter the attic.
Vermiculite is a naturally occurring mineral that has the unusual property of expanding into worm-like accordion shaped pieces when heated. The expanded vermiculite is a lightweight, fire-resistant, absorbent, and odourless material. These properties allow vermiculite to be used to make numerous products, including insulation most commonly for attics. It can be purchased in various forms for various uses. Sizes of vermiculite products range from very fine particles to large coarse pieces nearly an inch long. Vermiculite that�s used in attics is a pour-in-place, gravel looking, insulation that�s usually light brown or gold in colour. Property owners, building maintenance personnel and those involved in real estate transaction process should be aware of the presence of vermiculite insulation and give careful consideration to its impact on the property and its occupants, now, in the past and in the future.
Asbestos Contamination - Prior to its closing in 1990, much of the world�s supply of vermiculite, according to the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), came from a mine near Libby, Montana owned by W.R. Grace. This mine had naturally occurring deposits of asbestos that contaminated the vermiculite. It is thought that most of their production contained at least trace amounts of asbestos fibre. Although vermiculite processed with a binder (such as concrete and plaster mixes, sprayed, fireproofing, etc.) is unlikely to ever release significant airborne asbestos, loose fill products do pose a risk, causing substantial asbestos exposure when disturbed. This asbestos-contaminated insulation from this mine was installed in many Canadian buildings, most of which were homes, but also in commercial, institutional and industrial buildings. Use in Canadian residential construction heightened with the CHIP Program between 1977 and 1984, the same program under which most Urea Formaldehyde Foam Insulation (UFFI) was installed. Vermiculite Insulation Sources - Vermiculite is used in a variety of products for both commercial and consumer use, including building materials. Processed raw ore was shipped to many plants in Canada for exfoliation or expanding where it was heated to about 1000�C causing it to expand into a lightweight granular looking material.
Almost all vermiculite insulation was sold under the trade name Zonolite. The loose fill insulation was used inside masonry block walls (the largest volume use), stove pipe and stack insulation, fire separations, cold rooms and in walls & attics (mostly of homes).
How does asbestos cause health problems?
Perhaps the most typical problem associated with asbestos comes from airborne particles that are inhaled. When asbestos is intact it is usually not a problem however when it is friable state, for example, readily crumbled, brittle, breaking down, deteriorating, damaged or disturbed) it can become airborne. As a result, persons may breathe in asbestos fibres. Continued exposure increases the amount of fibres that remain in the lung. Fibres embedded in lung tissue over time may result in lung diseases such as asbestosis, lung cancer, or mesothelioma. Smoking increases your risk of developing illness from asbestos exposure. Exposure to asbestos for prolonged periods or at high concentrations increases the risk of lung cancer and other respiratory diseases.
What to do if vermiculite insulation is present?
According to the US EPA and ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry) DO NOT DISTURB IT. Limit the number of trips made to your attic. Shortening the length of those trips can help limit your potential exposure. Any disturbance has the potential to release asbestos fibres into the air.
* Do not disturb vermiculite insulation.
* Do not store boxes or other items in your attic if retrieving the material will disturb the insulation.
* Do not allow children to play in open areas where vermiculite insulation is present.
* If you plan to remodel or conduct renovations that would disturb the vermiculite, hire professionals trained and certified to handle asbestos to safely remove the material.
* Do not attempt to remove vermiculite insulation yourself. Hire professionals trained and certified to safely remove the material.
Health Canada states: �to be safe and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is reasonable to assume that if your building has older vermiculite-based insulation, it may contain some amphibole asbestos�.
Further, there may be potential liabilities associated with vermiculite insulation e.g. homes containing it may have a stigma attached to them that may affect the value of the home; there may be costs associated with any removal / disposal; and or, costs associated with ensuring the area containing vermiculite is sealed off from living spaces and remains undisturbed in the event renovations are contemplated.
Background
Vermiculite is a mica-like material mined around the world. It has been widely used as insulation because of its good thermal and fire-resistant qualities. In 2004 Health Canada informed the Government of Canada of the possible health effects of vermiculite. The Department of National Defence (DND) housing portfolio is representative of all housing constructed during a similar period across Canada, and has the potential to contain commonly installed building materials that may be considered hazardous according to current standards. The installation of vermiculite attic insulation in DND housing occurred from approximately the 1950s until the material was removed from the Canadian market in approximately the mid-to-late 1980s. DND and the Canadian Forces Housing Agency (CFHA) are taking a proactive approach to protect DND employees, Canadian Forces (CF) members and their families from coming in contact with this insulation product should it exist in their workplace or housing units.
Vermiculite Management
Following the Health Canada bulletin, CFHA and DND engaged in a phased approach to determine where the Department has used vermiculite, and implement a comprehensive management plan. According to testing results, the vermiculite insulation in some DND housing units is known to contain asbestos.
To date, 100% of the units in CFHA�s portfolio have undergone visual inspection to identify the presence of vermiculite insulation. In light of the results, and as suggested by Health Canada, CFHA sealed all joints and cracks around ventilation or lighting fixtures in ceilings adjacent to attic spaces in all units identified as containing vermiculite insulation (representing currently 15.9% of the Agency�s portfolio).
There is no evidence that vermiculite presents a risk if left inaccessible and undisturbed, and as such, it is DND's policy (according to the DND/CF Asbestos Management Directive) to use "in place" management practices for asbestos-containing materials that are considered to be in good condition and that are enclosed and/or inaccessible, except during the course of demolition or renovation or in other cases where the product must be handled, dealt with, disturbed or removed.
This makes no sense.
But of course, give it to natives who already have homes, instead of to 2nd nations people who don't.
http://www.cfha-alfc.forces.gc.ca/lib-bib/vermiculite-eng.aspx
Background
Vermiculite is a mica-like material mined around the world. It has been widely used as insulation because of its good thermal and fire-resistant qualities. In 2004 Health Canada informed the Government of Canada of the possible health effects of vermiculite. The Department of National Defence (DND) housing portfolio is representative of all housing constructed during a similar period across Canada, and has the potential to contain commonly installed building materials that may be considered hazardous according to current standards. The installation of vermiculite attic insulation in DND housing occurred from approximately the 1950s until the material was removed from the Canadian market in approximately the mid-to-late 1980s. DND and the Canadian Forces Housing Agency (CFHA) are taking a proactive approach to protect DND employees, Canadian Forces (CF) members and their families from coming in contact with this insulation product should it exist in their workplace or housing units.
Vermiculite Management
Following the Health Canada bulletin, CFHA and DND engaged in a phased approach to determine where the Department has used vermiculite, and implement a comprehensive management plan. According to testing results, the vermiculite insulation in some DND housing units is known to contain asbestos.
To date, 100% of the units in CFHA�s portfolio have undergone visual inspection to identify the presence of vermiculite insulation. In light of the results, and as suggested by Health Canada, CFHA sealed all joints and cracks around ventilation or lighting fixtures in ceilings adjacent to attic spaces in all units identified as containing vermiculite insulation (representing currently 15.9% of the Agency�s portfolio).
There is no evidence that vermiculite presents a risk if left inaccessible and undisturbed, and as such, it is DND's policy (according to the DND/CF Asbestos Management Directive) to use "in place" management practices for asbestos-containing materials that are considered to be in good condition and that are enclosed and/or inaccessible, except during the course of demolition or renovation or in other cases where the product must be handled, dealt with, disturbed or removed.
I stand corrected, good find. I had never been told anything about the attics. Although I'm pretty sure that 15.9% number is quite a bit lower since any time someone leaves a PMQ now they renovate the place. They should examine the Q's and demolish those that contain vermiculite.
This makes no sense.
But of course, give it to natives who already have homes, instead of to 2nd nations people who don't.
If they wanted to make an impact, they could make them into low income housing. I still think, however, they should pick up on Edmonton's lead.
This makes no sense.
But of course, give it to natives who already have homes, instead of to 2nd nations people who don't.
The problem is Peguis First Nation has a land claim to Kapyong. The government can't sell that land but they could give it away. The Grannies were there to suggest they do that rather than create a urban reserve beside well-to-do community of Tuxedo.
Property values will drop like a priest's pants in a room full of boys, and insurance deductibles will rocket. Not a good situation for the city's coffers.
I wonder.. Why not knock them down, use the land to widen Kenaston Blvd, and build a nice parkway and/or "rapid transit"?