Greeks reject 'impossible' German plan for budget veto


World | 204 hits | Jan 30 4:31 pm | Posted by: martin14

Athens rejects outright German proposals for an EU power of veto over the Greek budget, with a minister threatening to quit over the issue.

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  1. Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:36 am
    Greece will leave the Euro.

    Being ruled from Germany (again) is going to be too much.

  2. Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:45 am
    Well if the Greeks can't control their budget, no reason why they should drag down the rest of the continent with them.

    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?

  3. Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:48 am
    "martin14" said
    Greece will leave the Euro.

    Being ruled from Germany (again) is going to be too much.


    Expecting the Greeks to be as orderly, hard working and responsible as the Germans is wishing for the moon.

  4. Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:50 am
    "Canadian_Mind" said


    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?



    There isnt enough gold in the world to use against the kind
    of numbers we play with today.

  5. Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:53 am
    "ShepherdsDog" said
    Greece will leave the Euro.

    Being ruled from Germany (again) is going to be too much.


    Expecting the Greeks to be as orderly, hard working and responsible as the Germans is wishing for the moon.


    Better to say Pluto. :)


    I figure they will leave, the new drachma will be introduced at 50% value,
    few weeks after it will lose another 30% of that value.

    But then, they can refinance, start with lower interest rates,
    and try to get their economy moving.

    Maybe.

  6. Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:54 am
    "Canadian_Mind" said
    Well if the Greeks can't control their budget, no reason why they should drag down the rest of the continent with them.

    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?


    It would be stupid to go back to the Gold Standard.

  7. Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:19 am
    "martin14" said
    Greece will leave the Euro.

    Being ruled from Germany (again) is going to be too much.


    Expecting the Greeks to be as orderly, hard working and responsible as the Germans is wishing for the moon.


    Better to say Pluto. :)


    I figure they will leave, the new drachma will be introduced at 50% value,
    few weeks after it will lose another 30% of that value.

    But then, they can refinance, start with lower interest rates,
    and try to get their economy moving.

    Maybe.
    Really, what does Greece offer, other than PoI for tourists? Not much to base an entire economy on, especially seeing WE'RE in an economic downturn, where holidays will be the first thing people cut out of their budgets.

  8. by avatar DanSC
    Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:17 am
    "Canadian_Mind" said
    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?

    I know that gold has traditionally been used as currency and to back currency, but what really makes gold the best standard? Why not a silver standard, or an iron standard, or a lithium standard, or a helium standard?

  9. Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:01 pm
    "ShepherdsDog" said
    Greece will leave the Euro.

    Being ruled from Germany (again) is going to be too much.


    Expecting the Greeks to be as orderly, hard working and responsible as the Germans is wishing for the moon.
    That's about it, The Greeks are ticked off that the Germans have influence over over their budgets and the German are irritated at having to pick up the tab to accommodate the Greeks and how the Greek government allocates ( in their case wastes) their resources.

    The Germans have much more of a valid point.

  10. by QBall
    Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:01 pm
    "I would rather resign as a minister than allow anybody to tell us the way we should be spending our money."


    Because Zeus knows you've been doing a wonderful job of that so far. :roll: Time for the rest of Europe to cut bait and run. Greece will make a wonderful example to the other European nations in trouble to sort their shit out.

  11. Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:18 pm
    "DanSC" said
    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?

    I know that gold has traditionally been used as currency and to back currency, but what really makes gold the best standard? Why not a silver standard, or an iron standard, or a lithium standard, or a helium standard?

    Because gold is rare, and it does not change (rust, evaporate, bleed into atmosphere) like the other elements you cite.

  12. Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:27 pm
    "sandorski" said
    Well if the Greeks can't control their budget, no reason why they should drag down the rest of the continent with them.

    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?


    It would be stupid to go back to the Gold Standard.

    My, what a sound and well argued opinion.

    In the immortal words of one Julius J. Finkelmeisterburger, "Fail." :wink:


    A gold standard can always be reimplemented. The states of Indiana and Utah recently monetized gold and silver (legal under the law) against the prospect of a hyper-inflated dollar.

    Meaning that those states can swiftly require that taxes be paid in inflation-safe gold and silver. If such a thing comes to pass then a gold standard is back in force regardless of your opinion or anyone else's.

    What would actually be stupid is to bet all of your future on fiat currencies that could end up being worthless, without notice, before the close of market . The only thing holding those currencies up is sheer, irrational faith.

  13. Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:52 pm
    "BartSimpson" said


    A gold standard can always be reimplemented. The states of Indiana and Utah recently monetized gold and silver (legal under the law) against the prospect of a hyper-inflated dollar.

    Meaning that those states can swiftly require that taxes be paid in inflation-safe gold and silver. If such a thing comes to pass then a gold standard is back in force regardless of your opinion or anyone else's.



    God that's an ignorant statement.
    I'd love to see any state try to reject legal US currency... then demand payment in Gold.
    In a state like Utah they'd be more likely to be paid in lead. PDT_Armataz_01_36

  14. by avatar Lemmy  Gold Member
    Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:42 pm
    "DanSC" said
    This is a prime example of why Canada should always have it's own currency. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the gold standard while we are at it?

    I know that gold has traditionally been used as currency and to back currency, but what really makes gold the best standard? Why not a silver standard, or an iron standard, or a lithium standard, or a helium standard?
    Backing currency is unnecessary. If things got bad enough for people to lose faith in the fiat, do you honestly believe the government would start handing out that gold? Not a chance in hell, so it's a moot point. Our currency is backed by our economy. If our economy fell enough for our currency to become seriously devalued, getting gold, or whatever, for your paper would be the least of your worries.



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