Mr Truman said while it was hard to hear the survivors' stories it was important for his family to understand the full consequence of decisions made by his grandfather, says the BBC's
Yes, like saving a million American lives, and probably more than 2 million Japanese.
And several thousand Canadian lives as well.
I can understand them being unhappy about turning the reactors back on.
Good luck finding a replacement.
Mr Truman said while it was hard to hear the survivors' stories it was important for his family to understand the full consequence of decisions made by his grandfather, says the BBC's
Yes, like saving a million American lives, and probably more than 2 million Japanese.
And several thousand Canadian lives as well.
I can understand them being unhappy about turning the reactors back on. Good luck finding a replacement.
And because it was used to save lives the survivors have absolutely no right to have horror stories of being one of the extremely few that have ever been a survivor of a nuclear attack? Parents and children lost their entire families in an instant, schoolkids lost almost their entire classes in about the time it takes for you to blink. Did the guy have to drop the bomb? probably, but he still utterly annihilated a city and a consequence is that there are horrific survivor stories.
I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
Bombing Hiroshima and Negasaki was definatly the right thing to do, if you are talking about bombing Dresden then that is something I agree was entirely unwarranted.
I think it is fairly disgusting to decide so simply that an entire population is guilty of some transgression caused by the unforseeable consequences of apathy...
I would assume if Al Quada had a nuke and used it on the United States under the apoligetic bullshit pretense that Americans had to pay ultimate capital punishment for electing George Bush people would be calling that a war crime...
"Morally and legally culpable"... Disgusting. A little objectivity would be nice.
The great thing about morality is it's completely made-up, and entirely subjective. If we're all destroyed in nuclear hellfire under the pretense that we're adulterers and degenerates that elect rich warlords, someone somewhere would think that was the right thing to do since we made ourselves "morally and legally culpable" (at least in the view of the fascist-esque executer, which is all that matters appairently). All part of making the enemy subhuman.
My best wishes to all the surviving victims and their relatives of this unquestionable slaughter.
Stop it already. Japan was a fascist society with a fascist government that had already killed tens of millions of other people by the time the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were dropped. If the society supports the government and military as it engages in atrocities in other countries, and if it benefits from the wholesale looting of resources from those countries and from the massive enslavement of the populations of those countries, then it is a legitimate target of reprisal for it's deliberate warmaking, murder, and theft.
You know absolutely nothing of history. The Japanese of seventy years ago are nothing like the Japanese of today. If anything modern Japan, and Germany too, are only the way they are today because the West and the Soviets literally kicked the warmongerers in those societies to death and drove the desire to engage in imperial conquest out of their culture.
Once again, YOU know nothing. You've filled your head with a bunch of useless anti-historical babble from idiots. Your allowance for believing in the shit that you've swallowed is rapidly coming to an end so grow the fuck up already.
"GreenTiger" said Bombing Hiroshima and Negasaki was definatly the right thing to do, if you are talking about bombing Dresden then that is something I agree was entirely unwarranted.
My father-in-law, who lived in Germany from 1940 to 1950, disagreed. He'd acknowledged that Dresden was a critical transportation hub and that it was also an industrial center with many homes being used in the 'dispersed production' techniques that the Reich had adopted towards the end of the war. Further, he was always surprised that the Allies had never bombed Heidelberg since it was the home of a military academy and an artillery factory that was housed in the bunkers under the .
While Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and etc. were all tragic bombings by the Allies it is intellectually absurd to contemplate these events as if they took place in a vaccum.
Dresden happened because Warsaw, Coventry, Paris, Amsterdam, Oslo, Stalingrad, Moscow, and etc. happened. Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened because of Nanking, Singapore, Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Wake Island, Burma, Indonesia, Tinian, Guam, Okinawa, and etc.
The Germans got what they asked for and so did the Japanese.
I'm personally thankful for the bombing campaigns that did to Germany and Japan what they absoultely wanted to do to us.
"Thanos" said I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
"jeff744" said I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
Right, so Britain and the US started WWII.
I suppose you also buy into the crap that the US forced Japan to bomb Pearl..
"jeff744" said I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
Life sucks, don't it?
I've totally sympathized with the Germans over Versailles. It was utterly unfair and I'm glad that the USA had no part in it.
And, to be honest, up to the point that Hitler went after the Jews and invaded Poland I think he was doing a bang-up job for Germany. His retaking of the Ruhr from France and Belgium was justice. His abrogation of the Versailles Treaty was correct as an unjust law is no law at all.
But once he crossed the line there was no turning back and he led the Germans into ruin. And they followed him to the bitter end.
I am married to a beautiful German girl and I've told her, too, that if Germany hadn't wanted to be bombed then they should not have started a war.
See, the war was great fun until it came home to Germany. Oh, then it was not fair anymore!
I've literally got the German newsreels that prove the Germans thought the war was great fun! It's amazing propaganda, btw.
Yep, it was okay to kill the Russians, Polish, Czechs, gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, retards, cripples, French, English, Norwegians, and etc.
"martin14" said I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
Right, so Britain and the US started WWII.
I suppose you also buy into the crap that the US forced Japan to bomb Pearl.. Nope, but I don't buy into that crap where the allies had absolutely no guilt in starting WWII either.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
1) Versailles was an unjustifiable crime committed by the Allies who were as equally responsible for World War One occurring as Germany was. 2) The burdens of Versailles wasn't enough to justify a German reaction that led to Auschwitz. 3) You're deeply underestimating the nature of the long-simmering Jew-hatred that existed in Germany, a hatred that had been building up for decades prior to World War One even. All Nazism did was make the extermination of those seen as a centuries-old mortal threat to Germany acceptable. Prior to Hitler it was always talked about. After Hitler action to match the long-existing rhetoric was finally taken. 4) You're also underestimating how deep the bedrock of Prussian militarism and authoritarianism that underpinned German society and government was. This militarism wasn't eliminated by World War One; the Germans after all could credibly claim that they only lost because they were outnumbered and had been ground down by the unacceptable losses of men through attrition. They really never lost any battles of major significance until the middle of 1918. Toss a coin and the Germans conceivably could still have won it all in 1918, that's how fine the balance was by that time in the war. As such the Prussian attitude still existed after Versaillies and was quite easily co-opted by the Nazi movement's anti-democratic strain and proclivity to top-down centralized dictatorial leasdership.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
1) Versailles was an unjustifiable crime committed by the Allies who were as equally responsible for World War One occurring as Germany was. 2) The burdens of Versailles wasn't enough to justify a German reaction that led to Auschwitz. 3) You're deeply underestimating the nature of the long-simmering Jew-hatred that existed in Germany, a hatred that had been building up for decades prior to World War One even. All Nazism did was make the extermination of those seen as a centuries-old mortal threat to Germany acceptable. Prior to Hitler it was always talked about. After Hitler action to match the long-existing rhetoric was finally taken. 4) You're also underestimating how deep the bedrock of Prussian militarism and authoritarianism that underpinned German society and government was. This militarism wasn't eliminated by World War One; the Germans after all could credibly claim that they only lost because they were outnumbered and had been ground down by the unacceptable losses of men through attrition. They really never lost any battles of major significance until the middle of 1918. Toss a coin and the Germans conceivably could still have won it all in 1918, that's how fine the balance was by that time in the war. As such the Prussian attitude still existed after Versaillies and was quite easily co-opted by the Nazi movement's anti-democratic strain and proclivity to top-down centralized dictatorial leasdership. So, a hatred of jews had nothing to do with the allies rejecting thousands of attempted refugees from Germany? A hatred of jews was embedded in almost all of Europe, the US, and Canada at the time. Hitlers death squads used already existing hatred to their advantage, using locals to rat out jews and help with their capture in exchange for goods, surprisingly they even managed to convince jews to help them early on (most were killer later on).
So, a hatred of jews had nothing to do with the allies rejecting thousands of attempted refugees from Germany? A hatred of jews was embedded in almost all of Europe, the US, and Canada at the time. Hitlers death squads used already existing hatred to their advantage, using locals to rat out jews and help with their capture in exchange for goods, surprisingly they even managed to convince jews to help them early on (most were killer later on).
Hating the Jews was not uncommon back then. Murdering them and working millions of them to death, that was a bit of a new wrinkle.
And there's sound evidence that Roosevelt and Churchill knew about the camps and did little to directly intervene. Honestly, the best thing either of them could do was to hasten the end of the war, which is exactly what they did.
The 1940's were before the era of commando raids and even if the Western Allies had sent commandos thousands of miles behind enemy lines to the camps....then what would they do? There was no way to get those people out of the Reich even if they had been freed. Consequently, what happened was all the Allies could do at the time.
Thus there was precious little that could have been done to stop the killings.
And part of the blame, sorry to say, lies with the Jews.
They were a mostly unassimilated population that had been living in Europe for 1800 years and in all that time they still spoke their own languages instead of the language of their host countries, they wore clothes that stood out, they were sometimes violent when their beliefs were offended, and they disproportionately gravitated towards the banking trade which has never endeared itself to anyone.
They isolated themselves from their neighbors and when TSHTF their neighbors were frequently not willing to stand up to the Nazis to defend the total strangers who lived next door.
Had they assimilated into their respective host countries then the Holocaust would have been a far more difficult enterprise. Denmark was a fine example of this as Jews in that country spoke the local language and were active participants in community life. The Germans had a bugger of a time doing their thing in a country where even the Royal family wore yellow Stars of David on their clothes.
On an aside, had the Jews also not been disarmed by the European fad for gun control they'd have been able to fight the Germans. As it was, a few Jews with less than twenty firearms held off the Germans for quite a while in Warsaw. Imagine just 1 million of those Jews being armed and Israel might today be calling Berlin their capitol city. That's a big reason right there why Israel has a collective revulsion at the notion of gun control.
'Never again!' is not just a slogan in Israel. It is a battle cry.
Anyhow, unassimilated populations are and always will be a focus. Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes not.
Yes, like saving a million American lives, and probably more than 2 million Japanese.
And several thousand Canadian lives as well.
I can understand them being unhappy about turning the reactors back on.
Good luck finding a replacement.
Yes, like saving a million American lives, and probably more than 2 million Japanese.
And several thousand Canadian lives as well.
I can understand them being unhappy about turning the reactors back on.
Good luck finding a replacement.
And because it was used to save lives the survivors have absolutely no right to have horror stories of being one of the extremely few that have ever been a survivor of a nuclear attack? Parents and children lost their entire families in an instant, schoolkids lost almost their entire classes in about the time it takes for you to blink. Did the guy have to drop the bomb? probably, but he still utterly annihilated a city and a consequence is that there are horrific survivor stories.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
I would assume if Al Quada had a nuke and used it on the United States under the apoligetic bullshit pretense that Americans had to pay ultimate capital punishment for electing George Bush people would be calling that a war crime...
"Morally and legally culpable"... Disgusting. A little objectivity would be nice.
The great thing about morality is it's completely made-up, and entirely subjective. If we're all destroyed in nuclear hellfire under the pretense that we're adulterers and degenerates that elect rich warlords, someone somewhere would think that was the right thing to do since we made ourselves "morally and legally culpable" (at least in the view of the fascist-esque executer, which is all that matters appairently). All part of making the enemy subhuman.
My best wishes to all the surviving victims and their relatives of this unquestionable slaughter.
You know absolutely nothing of history. The Japanese of seventy years ago are nothing like the Japanese of today. If anything modern Japan, and Germany too, are only the way they are today because the West and the Soviets literally kicked the warmongerers in those societies to death and drove the desire to engage in imperial conquest out of their culture.
Once again, YOU know nothing. You've filled your head with a bunch of useless anti-historical babble from idiots. Your allowance for believing in the shit that you've swallowed is rapidly coming to an end so grow the fuck up already.
Bombing Hiroshima and Negasaki was definatly the right thing to do, if you are talking about bombing Dresden then that is something I agree was entirely unwarranted.
My father-in-law, who lived in Germany from 1940 to 1950, disagreed. He'd acknowledged that Dresden was a critical transportation hub and that it was also an industrial center with many homes being used in the 'dispersed production' techniques that the Reich had adopted towards the end of the war. Further, he was always surprised that the Allies had never bombed Heidelberg since it was the home of a military academy and an artillery factory that was housed in the bunkers under the .
While Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and etc. were all tragic bombings by the Allies it is intellectually absurd to contemplate these events as if they took place in a vaccum.
Dresden happened because Warsaw, Coventry, Paris, Amsterdam, Oslo, Stalingrad, Moscow, and etc. happened. Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened because of Nanking, Singapore, Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Wake Island, Burma, Indonesia, Tinian, Guam, Okinawa, and etc.
The Germans got what they asked for and so did the Japanese.
I'm personally thankful for the bombing campaigns that did to Germany and Japan what they absoultely wanted to do to us.
I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
Right, so Britain and the US started WWII.
I suppose you also buy into the crap that the US forced Japan to bomb Pearl..
I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
Life sucks, don't it?
I've totally sympathized with the Germans over Versailles. It was utterly unfair and I'm glad that the USA had no part in it.
And, to be honest, up to the point that Hitler went after the Jews and invaded Poland I think he was doing a bang-up job for Germany. His retaking of the Ruhr from France and Belgium was justice. His abrogation of the Versailles Treaty was correct as an unjust law is no law at all.
But once he crossed the line there was no turning back and he led the Germans into ruin. And they followed him to the bitter end.
I am married to a beautiful German girl and I've told her, too, that if Germany hadn't wanted to be bombed then they should not have started a war.
See, the war was great fun until it came home to Germany. Oh, then it was not fair anymore!
I've literally got the German newsreels that prove the Germans thought the war was great fun! It's amazing propaganda, btw.
Yep, it was okay to kill the Russians, Polish, Czechs, gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, retards, cripples, French, English, Norwegians, and etc.
But it was no fair that Germans should die, too!
Boo-effin'-hoo. Cry me a river.
Don't like war? Don't start one. Period.
I don't like the fact that we killed about 600,000 German civilians with the bombing campaign from 1942 to 1945. But then I remind myself that German civilians were responsible for putting the Nazi party into power, and as a collective steadfastly supported that party all the way to the bitter end in 1945, which made them morally and legally culpable for all the events that unfolded in Europe during World War 2. Ditto with the Japanese population of the same time period who are responsible for the actions that the government and military they supported deliberately made in Asia and the Pacific.
Precedent is a bitch to deal with when it turns and bites you back. Don't drop bombs on others and odds are that others won't drop bombs on you.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
Right, so Britain and the US started WWII.
I suppose you also buy into the crap that the US forced Japan to bomb Pearl..
Nope, but I don't buy into that crap where the allies had absolutely no guilt in starting WWII either.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
1) Versailles was an unjustifiable crime committed by the Allies who were as equally responsible for World War One occurring as Germany was.
2) The burdens of Versailles wasn't enough to justify a German reaction that led to Auschwitz.
3) You're deeply underestimating the nature of the long-simmering Jew-hatred that existed in Germany, a hatred that had been building up for decades prior to World War One even. All Nazism did was make the extermination of those seen as a centuries-old mortal threat to Germany acceptable. Prior to Hitler it was always talked about. After Hitler action to match the long-existing rhetoric was finally taken.
4) You're also underestimating how deep the bedrock of Prussian militarism and authoritarianism that underpinned German society and government was. This militarism wasn't eliminated by World War One; the Germans after all could credibly claim that they only lost because they were outnumbered and had been ground down by the unacceptable losses of men through attrition. They really never lost any battles of major significance until the middle of 1918. Toss a coin and the Germans conceivably could still have won it all in 1918, that's how fine the balance was by that time in the war. As such the Prussian attitude still existed after Versaillies and was quite easily co-opted by the Nazi movement's anti-democratic strain and proclivity to top-down centralized dictatorial leasdership.
And the guys that imposed crippling reparations which drove Germany into near bankruptcy and then seized almost their entire industrial region after Germany fell behind in payments, making it entirely impossible to pay and making their entire economy fall to shit had absolutely nothing to do with it? People will turn to the worst kinds of men if they are able to save them from that kind of life. Germany only turned to fascism when the allies killed any chance of the other governments being able to help the people and the only option became to support a mass murderer because everything else resulted in starving to death.
1) Versailles was an unjustifiable crime committed by the Allies who were as equally responsible for World War One occurring as Germany was.
2) The burdens of Versailles wasn't enough to justify a German reaction that led to Auschwitz.
3) You're deeply underestimating the nature of the long-simmering Jew-hatred that existed in Germany, a hatred that had been building up for decades prior to World War One even. All Nazism did was make the extermination of those seen as a centuries-old mortal threat to Germany acceptable. Prior to Hitler it was always talked about. After Hitler action to match the long-existing rhetoric was finally taken.
4) You're also underestimating how deep the bedrock of Prussian militarism and authoritarianism that underpinned German society and government was. This militarism wasn't eliminated by World War One; the Germans after all could credibly claim that they only lost because they were outnumbered and had been ground down by the unacceptable losses of men through attrition. They really never lost any battles of major significance until the middle of 1918. Toss a coin and the Germans conceivably could still have won it all in 1918, that's how fine the balance was by that time in the war. As such the Prussian attitude still existed after Versaillies and was quite easily co-opted by the Nazi movement's anti-democratic strain and proclivity to top-down centralized dictatorial leasdership.
So, a hatred of jews had nothing to do with the allies rejecting thousands of attempted refugees from Germany? A hatred of jews was embedded in almost all of Europe, the US, and Canada at the time. Hitlers death squads used already existing hatred to their advantage, using locals to rat out jews and help with their capture in exchange for goods, surprisingly they even managed to convince jews to help them early on (most were killer later on).
So, a hatred of jews had nothing to do with the allies rejecting thousands of attempted refugees from Germany? A hatred of jews was embedded in almost all of Europe, the US, and Canada at the time. Hitlers death squads used already existing hatred to their advantage, using locals to rat out jews and help with their capture in exchange for goods, surprisingly they even managed to convince jews to help them early on (most were killer later on).
Hating the Jews was not uncommon back then. Murdering them and working millions of them to death, that was a bit of a new wrinkle.
And there's sound evidence that Roosevelt and Churchill knew about the camps and did little to directly intervene. Honestly, the best thing either of them could do was to hasten the end of the war, which is exactly what they did.
The 1940's were before the era of commando raids and even if the Western Allies had sent commandos thousands of miles behind enemy lines to the camps....then what would they do? There was no way to get those people out of the Reich even if they had been freed. Consequently, what happened was all the Allies could do at the time.
Thus there was precious little that could have been done to stop the killings.
And part of the blame, sorry to say, lies with the Jews.
They were a mostly unassimilated population that had been living in Europe for 1800 years and in all that time they still spoke their own languages instead of the language of their host countries, they wore clothes that stood out, they were sometimes violent when their beliefs were offended, and they disproportionately gravitated towards the banking trade which has never endeared itself to anyone.
They isolated themselves from their neighbors and when TSHTF their neighbors were frequently not willing to stand up to the Nazis to defend the total strangers who lived next door.
Had they assimilated into their respective host countries then the Holocaust would have been a far more difficult enterprise. Denmark was a fine example of this as Jews in that country spoke the local language and were active participants in community life. The Germans had a bugger of a time doing their thing in a country where even the Royal family wore yellow Stars of David on their clothes.
On an aside, had the Jews also not been disarmed by the European fad for gun control they'd have been able to fight the Germans. As it was, a few Jews with less than twenty firearms held off the Germans for quite a while in Warsaw. Imagine just 1 million of those Jews being armed and Israel might today be calling Berlin their capitol city. That's a big reason right there why Israel has a collective revulsion at the notion of gun control.
'Never again!' is not just a slogan in Israel. It is a battle cry.
Anyhow, unassimilated populations are and always will be a focus. Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes not.