Officials say a Florida man fatally shot two of his children and critically injured another, then turned the gun on himself after an argument with his wife.
This is ridiculously tragic. The friends of the 14 and 11 year olds probably come from countless schools in the area... And that 9 year old gets to grow up in the shadow of such horror, if she manages to survive this. Wow.
It is incredible how much evil people can do.
It's perhaps a little messed up for me to say, but I'm glad he at least did the honours of ridding himself from Earth after he was done with his little bout of horrific evil. I'm sure the conservatives here will agree, at least he isn't costing the tax payers any money and at least he isn't eligible for parole. For the liberals, I hope we can just agree that at least the last bullet from his gun went in the right place, as maybe some people don't deserve rehabilitation.
At least there's no risk of vigilantes getting to him now...
"Public_Domain" said as maybe some people don't deserve rehabilitation.
Everybody deserves rehabilitation. Whether they can be rehabilitated or not is another matter.
You're cringing around about it - time to just accept you're for the death penalty, want to torture sex criminals just as much as the hard core conservatives here. Guess you're on your way to making the flip from one extreme to the other.
Funny how many on the right are Christian, yet have no concept of forgiveness, ie what Christ was talking about. That is what rehabilitation is, assistance to genuine repentance which in turn demands forgiveness.
When women do this, there's usually talk of depression or other emotional problems. Often they are given milder sentences. When men do it, just the desire for revenge.
Often the killer plans to kill themselves primarily, but thinks the kids won't be OK without them. Other times of course, they do it to wound their partner as deeply as possible, kill themselves because they know there's no way out after that.
Florida man kills six grandchildren and daughter in murder-suicide Police were summoned to home when Donald Spirit, 51, threatened family, county sheriff says
theguardian.com, Friday 19 September 2014 03.30 BST
A grandfather shot and killed his daughter and six grandchildren at his Florida home on Thursday before turning his gun on himself, law enforcement officials in Florida said.
The children�s ages ranged from three months to 10 years, Gilchrist County sheriff Robert Schultz said at a press conference in Bell, a small town in central Florida about 30 miles west of Gainesville.
Schultz named the killer as Don C Spirit, 51, a town resident who called 911 at about 4pm making threats against his family and himself. He was alive when the first sheriff�s deputy arrived at the house, Schultz said, but killed himself soon after.
The Orlando Sentinel reported that in 2001 a man named Don C Spirit accidentally shot and killed his eight-year-old son Kyle with a high powered rifle in a hunting accident. Florida Department of Corrections records show he was released from jail in 2006 after serving three years for firearms offences relating to that incident.
At the press conference on Thursday, Schultz said there was an interaction between Spirit and the deputy, but that it was believed the seven victims were already dead by the time the officer arrived.
The deputy then searched the building and found �multiple victims with apparent gunshot wounds�, he added.
�When he called 911, he said enough to alarm us to get someone there, and we needed to get there in a hurry.
�We�re asking for prayers for this community and the families involved. This is a small county. We�re all family here. We will continue to be family and we will work through this.�
Family members confirmed that the woman killed in the mass shooting was Sarah Spirit, 28, who they said was Don Spirit�s daughter and mother to all six of the children. Schultz did not identify the child victims and said that some of them lived at the house with their grandfather.
He added that no motive for the murder-suicide was immediately apparent but that deputies had responded to incidents at the house in the past.
Spirit was sentenced to three years in jail in January 2003 over the death of his son. According to press reports at the time, Spirit killed Kyle, whom he nicknamed AppleJax, in November 2001 during a hunting trip to the Three Lakes Wildlife Management Area near Kenansville, Florida.
The Osceola County Sheriff�s Office said Spirit was walking with Kyle and another son, Josh, then 13, when he stopped to point out some rust on the barrel of the Browning rifle he was carrying. The rifle fired and a bullet struck Kyle in the head.
Prosecutors accepted the boy�s death was an accident but charged Spirit with illegal possession of a weapon. As a felon, for a 1998 conviction for possession of marijuana, Spirit was not allowed to own a gun.
�It�s a tragedy all the way round,� state attorney Mike Saunders told the Orlando Sentinel at the time. �But if he had followed the law and not possessed a firearm, the child would not be dead.�
According to Schultz, another of Spirit�s daughters, whom he did not name, is still alive.
�There are certain things in life you can explain. And there are certain things you cannot explain. This is something I cannot explain,� Schultz told the Gainesville Sun.
He added that deputies would release more information when it was available.
"andyt" said Everybody deserves rehabilitation. Whether they can be rehabilitated or not is another matter.
You're cringing around about it - time to just accept you're for the death penalty, want to torture sex criminals just as much as the hard core conservatives here. Guess you're on your way to making the flip from one extreme to the other.
Funny how many on the right are Christian, yet have no concept of forgiveness, ie what Christ was talking about. That is what rehabilitation is, assistance to genuine repentance which in turn demands forgiveness.
No flip is coming. But I do have a line, which once you've passed, you are nothing but a scar in the history of the community, nothing but a painful memory, nothing but dispicable evil. Once you've decided you are going to be a horrifying detriment to the community, I do not believe you deserve to return. I never invite a person back into my home if the last time they were here they took what they want and pissed all over the rest.
Can we do exiles into the arctic like old times?
If this man survived, I'm unsure if I would clamour for him to die in a chair. He actually didn't cross "my line"... But it is nice when murderers take care of themselves.
certainly don't need to look all the way to florida for stories about men and women killing their children.
A woman convicted of killing her two sons in Alberta has been found dead under a bridge in the Australian Central Coast town of Gosford, according to multiple media reports.
McConnell had served 15 months of a six-year manslaughter sentence for drowning her two boys, two-year-old Connor and 10-month-old Jayden, in the bathtub at their home in near Edmonton, in 2010. The boys were found by their father, Curtis McConnell. At the time of their discovery, he was involved in a bitter divorce and custody fight over the two boys.
It's perhaps a little messed up for me to say, but I'm glad he at least did the honours of ridding himself from Earth after he was done with his little bout of horrific evil. I'm sure the conservatives here will agree, at least he isn't costing the tax payers any money and at least he isn't eligible for parole. For the liberals, I hope we can just agree that at least the last bullet from his gun went in the right place, as maybe some people don't deserve rehabilitation.
At least there's no risk of vigilantes getting to him now...
That sentiment isn't messed up in the least. Whether the state or the individual does what needs doing at least justice is somewhat served because people like this are never rehabilitated just, on far to many occasions, released.
BTW because you support the death penalty for cases like this doesn't in any way shape or form make you an evil person like that bleeding heart andyt wants to make you out to be.
It is incredible how much evil people can do.
It's perhaps a little messed up for me to say, but I'm glad he at least did the honours of ridding himself from Earth after he was done with his little bout of horrific evil. I'm sure the conservatives here will agree, at least he isn't costing the tax payers any money and at least he isn't eligible for parole. For the liberals, I hope we can just agree that at least the last bullet from his gun went in the right place, as maybe some people don't deserve rehabilitation.
At least there's no risk of vigilantes getting to him now...
as maybe some people don't deserve rehabilitation.
Everybody deserves rehabilitation. Whether they can be rehabilitated or not is another matter.
You're cringing around about it - time to just accept you're for the death penalty, want to torture sex criminals just as much as the hard core conservatives here. Guess you're on your way to making the flip from one extreme to the other.
Funny how many on the right are Christian, yet have no concept of forgiveness, ie what Christ was talking about. That is what rehabilitation is, assistance to genuine repentance which in turn demands forgiveness.
That's why this is the coward's way out.
Often the killer plans to kill themselves primarily, but thinks the kids won't be OK without them. Other times of course, they do it to wound their partner as deeply as possible, kill themselves because they know there's no way out after that.
Police were summoned to home when Donald Spirit, 51, threatened family, county sheriff says
theguardian.com, Friday 19 September 2014 03.30 BST
A grandfather shot and killed his daughter and six grandchildren at his Florida home on Thursday before turning his gun on himself, law enforcement officials in Florida said.
The children�s ages ranged from three months to 10 years, Gilchrist County sheriff Robert Schultz said at a press conference in Bell, a small town in central Florida about 30 miles west of Gainesville.
Schultz named the killer as Don C Spirit, 51, a town resident who called 911 at about 4pm making threats against his family and himself. He was alive when the first sheriff�s deputy arrived at the house, Schultz said, but killed himself soon after.
The Orlando Sentinel reported that in 2001 a man named Don C Spirit accidentally shot and killed his eight-year-old son Kyle with a high powered rifle in a hunting accident. Florida Department of Corrections records show he was released from jail in 2006 after serving three years for firearms offences relating to that incident.
At the press conference on Thursday, Schultz said there was an interaction between Spirit and the deputy, but that it was believed the seven victims were already dead by the time the officer arrived.
The deputy then searched the building and found �multiple victims with apparent gunshot wounds�, he added.
�When he called 911, he said enough to alarm us to get someone there, and we needed to get there in a hurry.
�We�re asking for prayers for this community and the families involved. This is a small county. We�re all family here. We will continue to be family and we will work through this.�
Family members confirmed that the woman killed in the mass shooting was Sarah Spirit, 28, who they said was Don Spirit�s daughter and mother to all six of the children. Schultz did not identify the child victims and said that some of them lived at the house with their grandfather.
He added that no motive for the murder-suicide was immediately apparent but that deputies had responded to incidents at the house in the past.
Spirit was sentenced to three years in jail in January 2003 over the death of his son. According to press reports at the time, Spirit killed Kyle, whom he nicknamed AppleJax, in November 2001 during a hunting trip to the Three Lakes Wildlife Management Area near Kenansville, Florida.
The Osceola County Sheriff�s Office said Spirit was walking with Kyle and another son, Josh, then 13, when he stopped to point out some rust on the barrel of the Browning rifle he was carrying. The rifle fired and a bullet struck Kyle in the head.
Prosecutors accepted the boy�s death was an accident but charged Spirit with illegal possession of a weapon. As a felon, for a 1998 conviction for possession of marijuana, Spirit was not allowed to own a gun.
�It�s a tragedy all the way round,� state attorney Mike Saunders told the Orlando Sentinel at the time. �But if he had followed the law and not possessed a firearm, the child would not be dead.�
According to Schultz, another of Spirit�s daughters, whom he did not name, is still alive.
�There are certain things in life you can explain. And there are certain things you cannot explain. This is something I cannot explain,� Schultz told the Gainesville Sun.
He added that deputies would release more information when it was available.
Everybody deserves rehabilitation. Whether they can be rehabilitated or not is another matter.
You're cringing around about it - time to just accept you're for the death penalty, want to torture sex criminals just as much as the hard core conservatives here. Guess you're on your way to making the flip from one extreme to the other.
Funny how many on the right are Christian, yet have no concept of forgiveness, ie what Christ was talking about. That is what rehabilitation is, assistance to genuine repentance which in turn demands forgiveness.
No flip is coming. But I do have a line, which once you've passed, you are nothing but a scar in the history of the community, nothing but a painful memory, nothing but dispicable evil. Once you've decided you are going to be a horrifying detriment to the community, I do not believe you deserve to return. I never invite a person back into my home if the last time they were here they took what they want and pissed all over the rest.
Can we do exiles into the arctic like old times?
If this man survived, I'm unsure if I would clamour for him to die in a chair. He actually didn't cross "my line"... But it is nice when murderers take care of themselves.
McConnell had served 15 months of a six-year manslaughter sentence for drowning her two boys, two-year-old Connor and 10-month-old Jayden, in the bathtub at their home in near Edmonton, in 2010.
The boys were found by their father, Curtis McConnell. At the time of their discovery, he was involved in a bitter divorce and custody fight over the two boys.
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/woman-who- ... z3GWexGdFn
It's perhaps a little messed up for me to say, but I'm glad he at least did the honours of ridding himself from Earth after he was done with his little bout of horrific evil. I'm sure the conservatives here will agree, at least he isn't costing the tax payers any money and at least he isn't eligible for parole. For the liberals, I hope we can just agree that at least the last bullet from his gun went in the right place, as maybe some people don't deserve rehabilitation.
At least there's no risk of vigilantes getting to him now...
That sentiment isn't messed up in the least. Whether the state or the individual does what needs doing at least justice is somewhat served because people like this are never rehabilitated just, on far to many occasions, released.
BTW because you support the death penalty for cases like this doesn't in any way shape or form make you an evil person like that bleeding heart andyt wants to make you out to be.