A Nanaimo, B.C. teacher is suing an investigator who concluded he sexually abused a female student based on claims allegedly fabricated from episodes of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit.
Mr C will rant and rail about this man being found innocent. He's been accused....he must burn.
According to the arbitration, the student claimed the teacher stuck knives and branches in her vagina, waterboarded and electrocuted her, and nearly suffocated her through burial.
But despite the "horrific" allegations, McEwan noted in her report the student was "never once attended an emergency clinic, hospital or walk-in clinic to treat her injuries."
"Nor did her attentive parents notice a thing � not the torn clothing, the burns; neither the bleeding to the extent that blood dripped into the swimming pool, nor her midnight foray. Not the filth from being buried or being soaked wet from waterboarding. Nothing. How likely is it that she could suffer the indignities she says she did and then go home for dinner and homework?"
What really makes this shit ridiculous is this:
Barber, who previously had a spotless disciplinary record, was fired in March 2013.
But last July, McEwen upheld a grievance by his union, ordering the school district to "make whole." The final outcome of that matter hasn't yet been decided.
EDIT: I'd like to know how deeply you disregard my statements to the contrary of what you're suggesting I've stated.
But of course, any focus or suggestion of sexual violence being an endemic part of our society and the justice system being deeply flawed in the handling of it means that I am arguing that there are no liars. Or whatever corner you are desperately attempting to paint me into to win some sort of ideological point that I really couldn't give a shit about.
I just find it unfortunate that my basic desire to end this culture is met by such a fervent stream of male tears. Denial, distraction, and delusion. I'm forced into an artificial conundrum of the potential for false claims, which exist for every crime (because crazy people absolutely exist). I call for a society that doesn't objectify and destroy women and corrupt men, while andy longs for a society where women don't see a slap on the ass as sexual assault. That link, if you can't be assed, is almost entirely 12 year old girls being harassed by men your ages who can't muster up the fucking ability to view teenage girls as anything more than sexual objects. You have the fucking gall to say we can't reform male culture but lay down expectation and judgement again and again upon women. Education for boys to treat women like human beings is sexist and emasculating, turning them into sissy faggy liberals. We can't touch the issue, so we continue to allow boys to grow up completely misunderstanding the female experience. To the point men seem envious of the objectifying and demeaning treatment they offer women, longing for what they mistake as "positive attention", brushing off the crisis entirely unaware of its unspoken prevalence and horrifying implications.
So your argument is that women lie! I say fine, bitches be crazy! What is your next course of action after that? You want them punished, and I say fine! What next? Why is that your only demand? Do you see why this saddens me, when this is your one contribution? No clamoring at all for a culture safer for women, just ramp up the suspicion of rape claims. You eat up cases like this so that you have "precedent" to immediately shout down claims. Progress.
So women lie, there is no problem, and even if there is, we simply can't act upon it at all. Three cheers for the status quo. Bravo !
PD, npo one is condoning sexual violence. No one dismisses the seriousness of it. What people take issue with is the trend towards "guilty until proven innocent" with a follow-up of "he was only found innocent because he had a good lawyer".
It's a scary route to take. Not only for those who are unfortunate enough to be falsely accused, but for all of us. How long till that kind of thinking is extended to other crimes? How far down that route are we already when it comes to security and terrorism issues?
No doubt the justice system deals badly with sexual violence, but upending centuries of legal principles is not the answer.
I'd like an answer to why suggestions for social revolutions towards the treatment of women are not plausible stances to take. You know, feminism, which doesn't really spend much time suggesting rape allegations are divine and immune from the standard process. It mostly spends its time pointing out that sexual assault is a condition of a sexist society. This is something that you do disagree with, or at least would fight against, correct? If not I'm thrilled, truly.
That is what I want. Not for every rape case to be believed, as you weirdos would like to insist. I'd like society to go about the challenging road of confronting the profoundly different experiences faced by these two genders, and the attitudes and behaviors encouraged. I think this would do wonders at eliminating sexual assault; as we are already finding with the reformistic-like speed of progress on this topic. I also think this would also do wonders at eliminating the only concern men here on CKA seem to have on this issue, the chance that they may face a person who lies in court. But there is some issue with feminism, correct? I'm not sure what that issue really is, past the false narrative that we believe women are infallible.
No change is warranted for society as a whole, and I very much demand a reason as to why.
Not to fit into the mold you've casted for me, but upending centuries of legal principles has been very important for basically anyone who isn't a straight white man.
Andy likes to repeat, over and over again, that the bad news is things will never be easy on girls. But the good news is, at least we're going to put the effort into making it easier on boys!
So your argument is that women lie! I say fine, bitches be crazy! What is your next course of action after that? You want them punished, and I say fine! What next? Why is that your only demand? Do you see why this saddens me, when this is your one contribution? No clamoring at all for a culture safer for women, just ramp up the suspicion of rape claims. You eat up cases like this so that you have "precedent" to immediately shout down claims. Progress.
So women lie, there is no problem, and even if there is, we simply can't act upon it at all. Three cheers for the status quo. Bravo !
Because your demand is to change the rules of evidence where women are automatically believed and any innocent men caught up in that is just acceptable collateral damage to you.
You want to suggest reasonable actions on how to improve things for rape victims, I'm all ears. Actions that don't demonize all men or treat them as scapegoats.
But what are those suggestions? We already denounce sexual assault in our culture, have some pretty stiff penalties for it. You want to increase penalties, fine. It won't accomplish much, but might make you feel better.
One suggestions I have is we quit calling everything sexual assault, find more specific terms. Right now an unwanted pat on the butt is reported as the same crime as rape.
The other one that comes to my mind is for women to be more assertive and cautious with men. We know there's a certain percentage of scumbags out there that will take advantage, we know they haven't decreased the more we have condemned it. So women, be less trusting of guys you put yourself in vulnerable situations with, and quit playing the no means try harder game.
I personally don't know any men who would use force to get sex from a woman. I would guess guys like that hang out with each other, so expecting them to morally censure each other seems like a lost cause. But hey, some of the consent education to roundly condemned here might help some. Getting young guys (high school age) in groups and discussing the matter might help.
I'm open to any suggestion you may have that doesn't just demonize and sacrifice men at the altar of women must be believed.
the problem is that unequivocal facts are often hard to come by, especially in these situations. Absent of hard facts, the decision has to favor the accused, or we have to change our whole justice system.
"andyt" said the problem is that unequivocal facts are often hard to come by, especially in these situations. Absent of hard facts, the decision has to favor the accused, or we have to change our whole justice system.
Yup, "he says, she says" should be thrown out without any other proof. When we don't, false-witches are burned at the stake.
True that. And even though the teacher has been completely cleared of all the charges, they nevertheless will follow him around for the rest of his career.
But despite the "horrific" allegations, McEwan noted in her report the student was "never once attended an emergency clinic, hospital or walk-in clinic to treat her injuries."
"Nor did her attentive parents notice a thing � not the torn clothing, the burns; neither the bleeding to the extent that blood dripped into the swimming pool, nor her midnight foray. Not the filth from being buried or being soaked wet from waterboarding. Nothing. How likely is it that she could suffer the indignities she says she did and then go home for dinner and homework?"
What really makes this shit ridiculous is this:
But last July, McEwen upheld a grievance by his union, ordering the school district to "make whole." The final outcome of that matter hasn't yet been decided.
EDIT: I'd like to know how deeply you disregard my statements to the contrary of what you're suggesting I've stated.
But of course, any focus or suggestion of sexual violence being an endemic part of our society and the justice system being deeply flawed in the handling of it means that I am arguing that there are no liars. Or whatever corner you are desperately attempting to paint me into to win some sort of ideological point that I really couldn't give a shit about.
I just find it unfortunate that my basic desire to end this culture is met by such a fervent stream of male tears. Denial, distraction, and delusion. I'm forced into an artificial conundrum of the potential for false claims, which exist for every crime (because crazy people absolutely exist). I call for a society that doesn't objectify and destroy women and corrupt men, while andy longs for a society where women don't see a slap on the ass as sexual assault. That link, if you can't be assed, is almost entirely 12 year old girls being harassed by men your ages who can't muster up the fucking ability to view teenage girls as anything more than sexual objects. You have the fucking gall to say we can't reform male culture but lay down expectation and judgement again and again upon women. Education for boys to treat women like human beings is sexist and emasculating, turning them into sissy faggy liberals. We can't touch the issue, so we continue to allow boys to grow up completely misunderstanding the female experience. To the point men seem envious of the objectifying and demeaning treatment they offer women, longing for what they mistake as "positive attention", brushing off the crisis entirely unaware of its unspoken prevalence and horrifying implications.
So your argument is that women lie! I say fine, bitches be crazy! What is your next course of action after that? You want them punished, and I say fine! What next? Why is that your only demand? Do you see why this saddens me, when this is your one contribution? No clamoring at all for a culture safer for women, just ramp up the suspicion of rape claims. You eat up cases like this so that you have "precedent" to immediately shout down claims. Progress.
So women lie, there is no problem, and even if there is, we simply can't act upon it at all. Three cheers for the status quo. Bravo !
It's a scary route to take. Not only for those who are unfortunate enough to be falsely accused, but for all of us. How long till that kind of thinking is extended to other crimes? How far down that route are we already when it comes to security and terrorism issues?
No doubt the justice system deals badly with sexual violence, but upending centuries of legal principles is not the answer.
That is what I want. Not for every rape case to be believed, as you weirdos would like to insist. I'd like society to go about the challenging road of confronting the profoundly different experiences faced by these two genders, and the attitudes and behaviors encouraged. I think this would do wonders at eliminating sexual assault; as we are already finding with the reformistic-like speed of progress on this topic. I also think this would also do wonders at eliminating the only concern men here on CKA seem to have on this issue, the chance that they may face a person who lies in court. But there is some issue with feminism, correct? I'm not sure what that issue really is, past the false narrative that we believe women are infallible.
No change is warranted for society as a whole, and I very much demand a reason as to why.
Not to fit into the mold you've casted for me, but upending centuries of legal principles has been very important for basically anyone who isn't a straight white man.
Andy likes to repeat, over and over again, that the bad news is things will never be easy on girls. But the good news is, at least we're going to put the effort into making it easier on boys!
So your argument is that women lie! I say fine, bitches be crazy! What is your next course of action after that? You want them punished, and I say fine! What next? Why is that your only demand? Do you see why this saddens me, when this is your one contribution? No clamoring at all for a culture safer for women, just ramp up the suspicion of rape claims. You eat up cases like this so that you have "precedent" to immediately shout down claims. Progress.
So women lie, there is no problem, and even if there is, we simply can't act upon it at all. Three cheers for the status quo. Bravo !
Because your demand is to change the rules of evidence where women are automatically believed and any innocent men caught up in that is just acceptable collateral damage to you.
You want to suggest reasonable actions on how to improve things for rape victims, I'm all ears. Actions that don't demonize all men or treat them as scapegoats.
But what are those suggestions? We already denounce sexual assault in our culture, have some pretty stiff penalties for it. You want to increase penalties, fine. It won't accomplish much, but might make you feel better.
One suggestions I have is we quit calling everything sexual assault, find more specific terms. Right now an unwanted pat on the butt is reported as the same crime as rape.
The other one that comes to my mind is for women to be more assertive and cautious with men. We know there's a certain percentage of scumbags out there that will take advantage, we know they haven't decreased the more we have condemned it. So women, be less trusting of guys you put yourself in vulnerable situations with, and quit playing the no means try harder game.
I personally don't know any men who would use force to get sex from a woman. I would guess guys like that hang out with each other, so expecting them to morally censure each other seems like a lost cause. But hey, some of the consent education to roundly condemned here might help some. Getting young guys (high school age) in groups and discussing the matter might help.
I'm open to any suggestion you may have that doesn't just demonize and sacrifice men at the altar of women must be believed.
Victims should always be believed.
The facts should always be belived.
Victims should always be believed.
The facts should always be belived.
His was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
Thing is, even if the courts rely on the facts, public opinion is a different matter.
the problem is that unequivocal facts are often hard to come by, especially in these situations. Absent of hard facts, the decision has to favor the accused, or we have to change our whole justice system.
Yup, "he says, she says" should be thrown out without any other proof. When we don't, false-witches are burned at the stake.