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 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:56 pm 

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I think maybe you're missing the irony here. Skeptics were the ones who introduced the idea "consensus doesn't matter" into the debate. Scientists on the skeptic side were saying historically science has been progressed by those who defied the current thinking. Science they said is about c...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:30 pm 

Replies: 53
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Cool, so the next time the quote, unquote science of Global Warmers is being thoroughly debunked, and the debate is misdirected by them to the idea it doesn't matter, because global warming theory has the consensus, we'll just direct them to you. We'll say talk to Blue_Nose he says the proposed cons...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:17 pm 

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Who cares whether there's a consensus or not? What matters is how the facts hold up, and the reasons why those scientists believe what they do. It matters because the debate isn't just scientific. It's political, and affects us all. When what can be said, or should be heard is based on a mythical c...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:37 pm 

Replies: 53
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There are complexities, of course as to what that 80% actually believes, but basically, yeah the big question is are humans causing a coming climate catastrophe. If 80% of scientists don't think human activities are the principle driver there's no real sales pitch the mainstream media can use to con...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Arctic Ocean soon ice free?

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:08 pm 

Replies: 23
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So would you agree that if the temperature continues to be warmer than normal over the next few years, then we can rule out the PDO as the cause since exaggerated El Ninas should result in average cooling? Jeez, you know, now that's a good question. I hadn't even considered the possibility. But yea...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:35 pm 

Replies: 53
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90% is not 100%, but more importantly saying they all agree misdirects from the more important statement. Only 20 percent of the IPCC scientists polled agreed with what I was led to believe by the UN hired policy makers was the consensus amongst IPCC scientists. 20 percent is not a consensus. They ...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Arctic Ocean soon ice free?

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:46 pm 

Replies: 23
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At least we can likely agree that something is happening, just what that something is is no completely understood? Speaking for myself, "Oh, yeah, absolutely". I don't know where the idea came from skeptics don't believe there are ever any changes in the climate. Believing that would be a...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:23 pm 

Replies: 53
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Neither political consensus, nor policy maker consensus is Scientific consensus. More and more each day the evidence is coming in saying there is no scientific consensus for C02 forced catastrophic global warming. Saying political consensus and scientific consensus are the same thing does not make i...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:39 pm 

Replies: 53
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I did say that, and the majority of the people who did respond all agree in some form or another that global warming is caused by human activity. This is not a lie, you just need to read the article. Au contraire. You did lie. You said, and I quote "they all agree". They don't. I call it ...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Arctic Ocean soon ice free?

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:28 pm 

Replies: 23
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I can give you a really non-scientific (as in I don't pretend to understand it all) interpretation from a natural causes perspective if you like. In the early 80s something began they're calling the Great Pacific Climate Shift. It has something to do with what they call PDO (Pacific Decadal Oscillat...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:28 am 

Replies: 53
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only 20 percent said human activity is the "principle driver of climate change There's a big leap from that to the excesses of Kyoto, or the fictional climate catastrophe created for An Inconvenient Truth. I guess you didn't read the article either. Do you know what 20% of 54 is? I'll give you...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Arctic Ocean soon ice free?

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:06 am 

Replies: 23
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They've been talking about those satellite pictures showing a shrinking desert for some time I think. http://www.awitness.org/eden_wing/sahara_desert_retreat.html There's also this from 2003 Several new studies indicate increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 benefit global plant life. A study on varia...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:55 pm 

Replies: 53
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While as many as 90 percent of respondents said man-made carbon emissions "are driving or helping to drive global climate change," only 20 percent said human activity is the "principle driver of climate change." Sixty-three percent said human activity is a driver but that "...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:23 pm 

Replies: 53
Views: 1412


It can be easily shown that most of the so-called scientists who disagree have been written off as quacks or working for Exxon under the expilicit intention of denying global warming and hand-picking results to fit the conclusion. Really? Can it? There's a few like Fred Singer that maybe can be, ye...

 Forum: Current Events   Topic: Climate Scientist Survey Reveals Little Consensus

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:06 pm 

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I wasn't trying to hide the context of the quote. I don't necessarily disagree with any of those findings. But the consensus I refer to, when I talk about consensus, is the 90% consensus that man-made emissions are a significant driver of climate change. Except, again they didn't say that. They did...
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