[Toro]

Scape Scape:

The US is an oligarchy and it acts like one. Hourly wages for non supervisory employees haven't gone up in 30 years

$1:

To prove that there has been substantial growth of middle-class jobs, I compare the situation that existed in 1979 with that of 2005. The base year is 1979 because it represents the last business-cycle peak before income inequality and the U.S. trade deficit began to grow quickly in the 1980s. To make the comparison fair, earnings in 1979 are increased by almost 150% to adjust for inflation.

Let us look at the distribution of earnings in 1979, compared with the distribution of earnings of the net new jobs created since that year. To begin with, it is necessary to assess the experiences of male and female workers separately. Unfortunately, it is still true that a large number of women are employed in occupational titles that are predominantly held by women -- e.g., teachers, nurses, and clerical workers.

Nevertheless, there has clearly been a sharp increase in female middle-class employment. As recently as 1979, 61% of female workers were in jobs that paid less than $25,000, and only 3% earned more than $50,000 a year. By contrast, more than 36% of new jobs that opened since 1979 for women pay more than $50,000 and only 17% pay less than $25,000. ...

For men, the change in employment since 1979 has not been quite as clear-cut, or as positive. There has been a tremendous growth in the number of men in high-paying jobs: In 1979, just 10% of male workers earned above $75,000, while fully 34% of new jobs since 1979 have paid this amount or more.

However, there was also growth in the share of male workers earning less than $25,000 a year, from 23% in 1979 to 36% by 2005. This rise of low-paying jobs hit less-educated men particularly hard. For those with just a high school diploma, 87% of the new jobs paid $25,000 or less.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1193181 ... us_opinion

If you look at the census data, real income for the bottom quintile has risen by 1%-1.5% since 1970. That's all at the Census Bureau if you're interested at looking it up.

[Scape]

That isn't even marking time with inflation. Care to compare the rate of wage increase for the ceo's?

[OPP]

It's a great documentary and I posted it once in a thread but never made a topic of it. Good of you to try and get a debate going. Don't pay much attention to Toro. He favoures himself an expert but he's clearly in denial.
I like what I've read so far. Think you should have a look at the Official 9/11 foiler thread

[Scape]

Reagan official warns America could be a police state within 1 year[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLFBUrHPmNM&eurl=http://dontfearthetruth.com/2007/08/22/reagan-official-warns-america-could-be-a-police-state-within-1-year/[/youtube]

[Toro]

Scape Scape:

That isn't even marking time with inflation. Care to compare the rate of wage increase for the ceo's?

No, that's real income, which is after inflation.

However, income disparity has certainly been widening as higher income workers get a bigger share of the pie.

[Toro]

OPP OPP:

It's a great documentary and I posted it once in a thread but never made a topic of it. Good of you to try and get a debate going. Don't pay much attention to Toro. He favoures himself an expert but he's clearly in denial.
I like what I've read so far. Think you should have a look at the Official 9/11 foiler thread

From OPP, I take that as a compliment.

[sandorski]

The premise of the Documentary is bunk. Americans need to pay their Income Taxes. Failure to do so results in Jail.

[OPP]

Accoarding to state law, yes. But the state law reads that you are required to pay income tax IF federal law states so. Problem is, the 16th amendment was never ratified.

[sandorski]

OPP OPP:

Accoarding to state law, yes. But the state law reads that you are required to pay income tax IF federal law states so. Problem is, the 16th amendment was never ratified.

You gotta pay.[period]

[OPP]

sandorski sandorski:

OPP OPP:

Accoarding to state law, yes. But the state law reads that you are required to pay income tax IF federal law states so. Problem is, the 16th amendment was never ratified.

You gotta pay.[period]

That's the premise of the documentary. Have a look. Won't kill you.

[Toro]

If there is no income tax law, then take it to court.

[sandorski]

OPP OPP:

sandorski sandorski:

OPP OPP:

Accoarding to state law, yes. But the state law reads that you are required to pay income tax IF federal law states so. Problem is, the 16th amendment was never ratified.

You gotta pay.[period]

That's the premise of the documentary. Have a look. Won't kill you.

I've watched it before. It's BS.

[OPP]

Scape Scape:

Reagan official warns America could be a police state within 1 year

Careful there, Scape, or you might get lumped in the same category as me.

[Toro]

Look, I'd love it if I didn't have to pay income taxes. But it was ratified by the states.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html

Whether or not the amendment was approved by, er slippery ways, is irrelevant. If we threw out all the laws that have been passed by unsavory ways, we'd invalidate three-quarters of everything passed.

But like I said, if you have a case, take it to court. My guess is that even if it were struck down, the governments would re-amend the constitution to allow it.