[westmanguy]

he fabricates his facts.

I honestly can`t stand the man.

Yeah Michael - we have free health care, but we have long waiting times, and we have 50-60% tax rate too!

And he asked his RELATIVES in Canada about what health care is like here.

[Scape]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Like Nietzsche said, "the most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."

Moore does more harm than good to the causes he supposedly champions.

Couldn't agree moore!

The issue of his fat is downright juvenile. Not a great way to tear into his arguments. I for one would like to hear a good reason as to why someone in Canada that gets into an accident that chops off all 5 fingers can get them put pack on the same day without charge while someone in the US that has just two fingers cut off has to choose between what finger he has to keep because they will charge 6 grand for his ring finger or 12 grand for his index. What sort of fuck up shit is that?

[baylee]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Seriously, in this day & age of media, does he want us to believe that he only has this one roll of film?

Seriously, is that what you really think?

Just where rideatrain does it say anything about this "ROLL" of film being the only one in existence.
My God woman

$1:

hey'll let him show it. They'll see it, and if there's anything bad, the'll sue his fat ass off 3 years down the road.

Thats so funny. There is lots of BAD in this movie.Its about the American healthcare system

As for sueing, you mean like all those law suits promised by people like you that would result from Farenheit 9/11 ?

Maybe someone can show me all those law suits???

$1:

He's a joke, this is nothing but a grand standing stunt by him hopeing to get ppl to go see his movie.

Moore being , THE MOST successful documentary film maker ever, does not need a PR campain or resort to grandstanding to get people to see his newest movie

It was bush and his fellow morons who have brought more attention towards this yet to be released movie by making a big deal of the Cuba trip with 9/11 HEROES that American health care(?) refuses to treat


Even FOX NEWS calls it a hit

SICKO will be a major hit in Canada and the United States

I cant wait for the movie to come to the small BC Interior town closest to me.

By then I am sure most people on this forum, including rideatrain will have already seen it

[BeaverBill]

There's no such thing as free health care, everyone pays for it.

The alternative is to privatize... any Brits around here that can tell how wonderfully well their privatized social systems are now running?

I was just recently talking to a Brit that claims that said their privatized water works are now running more expensive than ever, poorer quality, worse service and not only do they have to pay for it to get there, now they have to pay for its disposal. A good double dose of privatization just in case you didn't get enough the first time around. Can you complain?? Not going to do much good, just grin and bear it. Privatization is already chipping away at the health care in Britian and Canada.

Seems to me that after the initial seduction of privatization you start to get hit with the bill, so that they can make profits, cutting back on staff, training, and service, only so a few years down the road they can continue to stuff you and satisfy the endless need to make more profits, and, as an insult to injury, your taxes, basically stay the same.

Eg. British Rail. privatized. After over a decade of privatization, costs to travel are through the roof and the teller on the other side of the telephone tells you that the train station 30 miles away from you doesn't exsist, therefore there is no timetable and the train you were going to catch doesn't exsist.... What can you expect from a teller that is based several thousand km away, in India?

"Computer says no."

[baylee]

BeaverBill BeaverBill:

There's no such thing as free health care, everyone pays for it.

"

Well of course tax dollars fund the Canadian medical system.

But the biggest difference between here and The States is tat if you need emergency treatment now, say an operation for cancer or whatever, you get it, doesnt matter if you have a job or not, are paying taxes or not.

In the States, if you are one of the millions who cant afford medical insurance, you better have a large credit limit on your credit card, or have some rich relatives, or you are out of luck.

The single biggest reason for personal bankruptcy in the States, is not able to pay medical bills.

And that is inexcusable for a country that can spend billions to occupy a foreign country and allow over 3500, young kids to die to keep the occupation ALIVE

[ShepherdsDog]

No, in Canada you get put on long waiting lists and by the time its your time your condition may have deteriorated so far that the medical treatment is far more expensive than it could have been, or you're terminal. But if you have enough money (too fucking bad, some of us have better jobs and more money and can afford better services. Just like cars and houses medical services are commodities, everyone gets a standard model, but some of us can buy extra bells and whistles) and use private medical services, some empty headed left wing nut accuses you of jumping some non existent imaginary line, rather than shortening it.

[OPP]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

No, in Canada you get put on long waiting lists and by the time its your time your condition may have deteriorated so far that the medical treatment is far more expensive than it could have been, or you're terminal. But if you have enough money (too fucking bad, some of us have better jobs and more money and can afford better services. Just like cars and houses medical services are commodities, everyone gets a standard model, but some of us can buy extra bells and whistles) and use private medical services, some empty headed left wing nut accuses you of jumping some non existent imaginary line, rather than shortening it.

You're saying that if you can't afford medical treatment then you shouldn't recieve it.
What the fucks wrong with people like you???!!! A kid's got a terminal deciese but his parrents can't affoard treatment so fuck him!?
Why even live in a society if you think like that? We all depend on eachother. A society does not work if we don't take care of eachother and maintain good living standards for eachother. The society you ar3e descibing is a broken one. A faulty and disgusting society of greedy people who crave more for themselfs on the expense of another.
I don't want to live in a society like that. I want to be able to trust my neighbour, my teacher, my co-worker and so on. Serving the interest of a few leads to ruin. Privatize all things socialized and you'll end up with less freedome, not more.

[ShepherdsDog]

I know English isn't your first language, so I will explain this in clear terms. First, I didn't say that. I said that those who can afford it, should be able to purchase more than standard medical care. Everyone should be entitled to a standard level of medical care. If I can afford faster service though, I should be able to receive it if I can pay fo it. It's the difference between using a courier for your mail or using the post office. In the end, this puts less strain on the public system and makes their delivery of services faster and cheaper.

[OPP]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I know English isn't your first language, so I will explain this in clear terms. First, I didn't say that. I said that those who can afford it, should be able to purchase more than standard medical care. Everyone should be entitled to a standard level of medical care. If I can afford faster service though, I should be able to receive it if I can pay fo it. It's the difference between using a courier for your mail or using the post office. In the end, this puts less strain on the public system and makes their delivery of services faster and cheaper.

So you should be able to cut in line becaus you're better off... I don't like the sound of that eather.

[Brenda]

OPP OPP:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

I know English isn't your first language, so I will explain this in clear terms. First, I didn't say that. I said that those who can afford it, should be able to purchase more than standard medical care. Everyone should be entitled to a standard level of medical care. If I can afford faster service though, I should be able to receive it if I can pay fo it. It's the difference between using a courier for your mail or using the post office. In the end, this puts less strain on the public system and makes their delivery of services faster and cheaper.

So you should be able to cut in line becaus you're better off... I don't like the sound of that eather.

That is because you are a socialist, and we are not

[ShepherdsDog]

fuck!! you don't understand do you. It's not cutting in line, I'm stepping out of it to make room for someone who can't afford private services.

[Brenda]

Never mind Shep, before you know it, you will be called a heartless bitch

He will not understand why non-socialists "don't look after eachother" (because he thinks that is what it is all about), and not everyone wants to pay for low-lifes. I think he thinks everyone has the right to the same. Period.

[ShepherdsDog]

I think everyone IS entitled to a standard level of medical care and I believe that it should be AFFORDABLE to all. The system however needs to be funded and therefore should not be free. This si what our medical system was supposed to have been like. Unfortunately it has become something else entirely.

I'll go back to the postal analogy. We both have a letter we need to send to Australia, however I can afford to use a courier company and have it there in one day. You don't have a lot of money but you can afford to use the regular postal services. My use of the courier services has in no way shape or form impeded your access to the post office and the services it offers. Hey, maybe occasionally you can afford to use the courier, when you are in a rush and can afford it. It will have all the services you could need because it makes a profit and reinvests it. Should I ever run into financial hardship, the post office will always be there if I need it, funded by taxes paid by all, including the courier company.

[Brenda]

Oh, I agree with you completely. I understand what you are saying, but I doubt OPP would.

[BeaverBill]

Canadian Health Care IS NOT FREE!! Never has been and never will be.

Why the lack of gov't interest in maintaining and, more importantly, fixing Health Care problems.... is this problem or a generated catch frase for trashing the health care system of Canada. Are waiting times a local problem or a general national problem....my parents have never had a problem with Canada health care nor my friends, some of which have gone through some major operations.

In comparison I had to go through a privatized plan which businesses in this area of the world need to take out in case of injury to a worker. I went to this private clinic with a sever sprain, waited 5 minutes (quite quick, yes), got lectured on how bad I was, had a quick crappy cast made out (which broke less than a week later) and sent out as fast as they could with one crutch...not two. There was no one else in thew clinic other than me. When I went back to repair the cast they lectured me on how bad I was....Obviously it wasn't the fault of the crappy half cast they made me and the fact that they gave me 1 crutch. I've had better service in some fast food restaurants...and these clinics are making a fortune! I'll be taking my chances with the public for now on, greedy arseholes.

I've been hearing that wait times have been a problem for YEARS and it's not fixed yet?!?! Either canadians are tooo laxadazy to bang on the politicians door demanding a fix, or this is just another catch phrase for the right wing to demand more privatization of Canadian "pinko commie" institutions.

$1:

Mr. Harper has described Canada as a northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term. Mr. Harper spoke to a U.S. Conservative group and said that they were a light, an inspiration for canada. That's a sense -- that's speaking to values. He told the Americans that a country like Canada will never have a national identity as great as theirs. He told those same Americans that we were second rate.