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HAve you lost faith in the RCMP?
Poll ended at Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:30 am
YES  50%  [ 18 ]
NO  25%  [ 9 ]
UNSURE  25%  [ 9 ]
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:09 am
 


If someone at my company showed his penis to another employee he'd be gone that day. And he wouldn't work in our industry again.

As hard as some of the laws out there can make it to get rid of people, whipping your dick out, having sex at work, and drinking at work will get your ass fired from anywhere. Any of those things woild, nevermind all three.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:40 pm
 


Since our national police force is telling the govt to allow US agents to operate in Canada, I have no faith in our RCMP.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:44 pm
 


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If someone at my company showed his penis to another employee he'd be gone that day. And he wouldn't work in our industry again.

As hard as some of the laws out there can make it to get rid of people, whipping your dick out, having sex at work, and drinking at work will get your ass fired from anywhere. Any of those things woild, nevermind all three.



Private sector. I wish we could hire and fire that way.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:16 pm
 


Apple2010 Apple2010:
Since our national police force is telling the govt to allow US agents to operate in Canada, I have no faith in our RCMP.



Ugh, stop taking what could be a thoughtful and decent thread
and spamming it with nonsense.


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:43 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
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If someone at my company showed his penis to another employee he'd be gone that day. And he wouldn't work in our industry again.

As hard as some of the laws out there can make it to get rid of people, whipping your dick out, having sex at work, and drinking at work will get your ass fired from anywhere. Any of those things woild, nevermind all three.



Private sector. I wish we could hire and fire that way.

Seriously, I'd like to see some of the legislation you're talking about. I have a very hard time believing that's what's behind this guy still having a job. I mean, we're not talking about a guy who had a little trouble showing up to work on time. He drank and had sex AT WORK! He showed his penis to a co-worker! You can't really expect us to believe that employment legislation forbids police forces from firing cops who commit crimes?


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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 5:38 pm
 


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If someone at my company showed his penis to another employee he'd be gone that day. And he wouldn't work in our industry again.

As hard as some of the laws out there can make it to get rid of people, whipping your dick out, having sex at work, and drinking at work will get your ass fired from anywhere. Any of those things woild, nevermind all three.



Private sector. I wish we could hire and fire that way.

Seriously, I'd like to see some of the legislation you're talking about. I have a very hard time believing that's what's behind this guy still having a job. I mean, we're not talking about a guy who had a little trouble showing up to work on time. He drank and had sex AT WORK! He showed his penis to a co-worker! You can't really expect us to believe that employment legislation forbids police forces from firing cops who commit crimes?


I'm curious too. Though it is difficult to fire a more senior military member be they officer or NCO it's a relatively straight forward process of remedial measures that can be applied quite quickly followed by an administrative review done in the Centre. T
He recommendation of release can come in weeks if serious enough.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:57 am
 


Why judge thousands of people based on the poor decisions of a few?


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:12 am
 


I don't think I have 'lost faith' in the RCMP. It's more that I never really had faith in them to begin with.

I'm not overly sure why, either. I have no faith issues with the EPS. Yes, they have a few bad apples, but as others have stated in regards to the RCMP, too few to ruin my faith in the bunch.

The RCMP, on the other hand, I have never really had faith in. They have never slighted me, personally. In fact, I don't know a single person that has been wronged by them.

Maybe my lack of faith is due to them being a Federal branch, and I have no faith in the Federal government.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:55 am
 


No, I haven't lost faith in the police at all.

In any large group of people, you'll have the huge majority who sit who are pretty much average (they aren't jerks, don't break rules and aren't heroes), while at the low end, you'll have a small number of people who are jerks, break rules and in general are scumbags, while those at the high end are the wonderful people who are heroic and insanely dedicated.

Look at the G-20 in Toronto - I'd bet 99% (or even higher) of the cops there did a fantastic job. My quarrel isn't with those thousands of officers at all, but the handful who exceeded their ROE and on occasion did things unlawfully.

My only problem is that the scumbags/jerks in police forces don't seem to face the same consequences as scumbags/jerks in every other segment of society. Once police forces realize that their members are not above the law and subject to it like everyone else, things will be fantastic IMHO.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:06 am
 


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I don't think I have 'lost faith' in the RCMP. It's more that I never really had faith in them to begin with.

I'm not overly sure why, either. I have no faith issues with the EPS. Yes, they have a few bad apples, but as others have stated in regards to the RCMP, too few to ruin my faith in the bunch.

The RCMP, on the other hand, I have never really had faith in. They have never slighted me, personally. In fact, I don't know a single person that has been wronged by them.

Maybe my lack of faith is due to them being a Federal branch, and I have no faith in the Federal government.

So because it's federal you have no faith in it? Do you hold the same views on the military, or any other federal agency for that matter?


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:00 am
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
So because it's federal you have no faith in it? Do you hold the same views on the military, or any other federal agency for that matter?


Pretty much.

The feds have a very bad habit of not giving all the required tools for completing a task, but expecting the people (RCMP, Military, etc.) to complete it any ways.

So far, they have done an admiral job, but it is just a matter of time until that people reliance fails us.

All my personal opinion, by the way.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:32 pm
 


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I see stupid, criminal shit that judges, other lawyers, doctors and teachers do on a regular basis. None of it makes the media.



None of those professions have killed people because of the stupid shit they did under the rubric of their profession.



Really? Is that a challenge? You really want to say a Doctor has never killed anyone due to some sort of malpractice or stupid shit? How about judges sentencing people to death on flimsy evidence, you sure examples of that can't be found? Lawyers whose get clients off knowing they are guilty then the clients go out and kill a witness, or spouse (seen if) for revenge? Sure we can't find examples of that?

Teachers may not have killed anyone over stupid shit but if we asked if any have screwed up a kids life somehow I bet we find examples.


My two cents on the thread topic is my personal belief that part of the problem is their hiring from 2006 to 2010. Not all but many of the stories of RCMP misconduct have been from officers hired in those years. Why are those years significant? Because there was mass hiring the likes that the RCMP has never seen since likely its inception yet the number of people applying did not rise proportionally from past years. The result being they had to hire many people who would not have made the cut in the past which = more idiots falling through the cracks than normal.

Add to this the fact the public just gets to see more of the bad stuff thanks to social media and cell phone cameras. Is there more bad apples or are we just now getting to see them more often?


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:43 pm
 


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If someone at my company showed his penis to another employee he'd be gone that day. And he wouldn't work in our industry again.

As hard as some of the laws out there can make it to get rid of people, whipping your dick out, having sex at work, and drinking at work will get your ass fired from anywhere. Any of those things woild, nevermind all three.



Private sector. I wish we could hire and fire that way.

Seriously, I'd like to see some of the legislation you're talking about. I have a very hard time believing that's what's behind this guy still having a job. I mean, we're not talking about a guy who had a little trouble showing up to work on time. He drank and had sex AT WORK! He showed his penis to a co-worker! You can't really expect us to believe that employment legislation forbids police forces from firing cops who commit crimes?


I don't have all the red tape to show you but it is near impossible due to act, policies etc etc. to fire someone in the RCMP for anything short of walking into the workplace and gunning people down in the office. Look at that Mountie ( I call him that as he was not yet fired) who killed an Ottawa city cop in broad daylight. the guy was on leave but not fired from the RCMP for years as they dragged through the process to fire him for gross misconduct on the job. He's fired now but it literally took him killing someone.

Let's not bash the RCMP only though, its the Fed government all around. I knew a guy who was well known for drinking in his office, first day I met him he showed me his booze cabinet in his office. And no is was not a big wig who entertained or something, he was just an IT guy. He was also caught smoking pot on the job and allowing access to the office to unauthorized persons plus a slew of harassment complaints. he still works on your tax dollar after HR said it would be too hard to fire him.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:54 pm
 


I'm willing to trust you guys that this is the case, but that said, I still have lost some faith. If it really is that hard to fire people then it's up to managment to do something about that. As my boss likes to say, "we don't manage reasons, we manage results."

As many others have said, I have absolutely nothing against individual members. It's a tough tough job and I have an immense amount of respect for those who do it. But this kind of BS just keeps cropping up and it makes it very hard to trust the institution as a whole. Everyone in the force from the lowliest constable on up has to do their part to identify and do something about the bad apples.


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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:37 pm
 


I think training must play a factor, I don't think The RCMP is as well trained a City Cop is, that said I can't write the lot off because some the guys are cooks.


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