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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:56 am
 


And don't forget Bart, sloppy storage of explosives on HMS Hood contributed greatly to it being sunk by the Bismark.


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Wasn't that a chronic problem at Jutland as well, that the Royal Navy overloaded their ships with cordite resulting in fatal explosions that wouldn't have happened if proper ammunition storage and handling procedures had been in place? No wonder too much of modern British military history sees them at being better at getting their own men killed than their enemies were.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:15 pm
 


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Wasn't that a chronic problem at Jutland as well, that the Royal Navy overloaded their ships with cordite resulting in fatal explosions that wouldn't have happened if proper ammunition storage and handling procedures had been in place? No wonder too much of modern British military history sees them at being better at getting their own men killed than their enemies were.


Yep and they learned little from Jutland. After the Hood things changed but then during the Falklands we had to re-learn lessons about ships and how they burn.

Apparently aluminum burns much easier than steel. Who would have thought eh?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:24 pm
 


Welding aluminum is bad enough with the creepy, teeth-clenching kind of sound the arc makes on it, almost like the alien hissing sort of sound white phosphorous makes in some of those Vietnam film footages. Can't imagine what it's be like being near it, or surrounded by it in a ship or plane or one of those dratted M113 troop carriers, when it actually manages to catch fire. Brrrr! 8O


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:29 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
And don't forget Bart, sloppy storage of explosives on HMS Hood contributed greatly to it being sunk by the Bismark.


Also, the lack of an armored deck posed quite a problem for the Hood. To be fair, the US didn't really think to add armor to decking until after Pearl Harbor. The Nazis were way ahead of everyone on that count and they had some outstanding research that would have been applied to to the next three Tirpitz class had they been completed. Krupp had figured out how to make a steel foam (something the US only figured out in the past few years) and the plan was to deck their warships with this advance. Lucky for us Hitler wasn't a fan of the Kriegsmarine or those ships would've been a bugger to kill.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:35 pm
 


Yea, Hood was obsolete and it's deck armour was WW1 pattern. The crafty Box-heads sussed out that a lobbed shell would easily penetrate the deck armour.

Some accounts say that most of the water-tight doors were open below decks. The explosion from the main mag spread through the lower decks much easier because of this and then spread to the torpedo mag.

So they say.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:35 pm
 


I doubt they left the watertight doors open during an 'Action Stations' event. That's just ignorant apologists trying to explain away the event by insulting the honored dead of the Royal Navy. The RN had some odd ideas, granted, but not securing the watertight doors during battle would have been a gross dereliction of duty by the officers of the Hood. It didn't happen because it's utterly inconceivable that it could have.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:42 pm
 


I dunno Bart. Stranger things have happened at sea.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:22 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I dunno Bart. Stranger things have happened at sea.


Yeah, but securing the watertight doors during combat is one of those things that doesn't even need to be ordered. It's expected to happen.

You're anticipating damage and flooding and you close the watertights to mitigate it when it expectedly happens. I know I'm not exactly cheerleading for the RN in this topic, but criminy, this is one of those utterly fundamental things that even the flippin' Italians get right.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 pm
 


Well, I would like to think you are right but I saw some very silly stuff go on in the South Atlantic.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:23 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I would like to think you are right but I saw some very silly stuff go on in the South Atlantic.


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Shoot. I've got to defer to you on that.

I was aboard the Ranger in 1991 (as a guest) during an unscheduled GQ and I've never seen so many things happen so fast and all at once. Inside of five minutes everyone was where they needed to be and I'd like to think the RN was as good or better.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:05 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I would like to think you are right but I saw some very silly stuff go on in the South Atlantic.


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Shoot. I've got to defer to you on that.

I was aboard the Ranger in 1991 (as a guest) during an unscheduled GQ and I've never seen so many things happen so fast and all at once. Inside of five minutes everyone was where they needed to be and I'd like to think the RN was as good or better.



I think it's like anything Bart. Some ship's companys perform better than others. It's all down to leadership and some of Her Majesty's Ships were better prepared for combat than others.

We can also look at the Royal Marines and Para's compared to the Guards......


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