[andyt]

[Gunnair]

Macguyver Macguyver:

<----Neg rep here if you think I give a shit.

I’m going to smoke some kush.

Got your six, friend.

Of course you care about rep points, you wouldn't hand them out if you didn't.

Now Eureka could make that claim as I don't believe he neg reports anyone.

You however, can't make such a claim.

[Gunnair]

eureka eureka:

I suppose I need to make one more! Just to point out that you are making my case. Even you, Lemmy, who are supposed to be a cut above this. Your anger began because I disagreed with an economic view put forward by you. You did not respond when I posted a link to a very significant study that supported both our viewpoints.

As for the rest, what a load of codswallop. There is scarcely a post I made that did not contain researched information.

The chief angst seems to have been that I refused to divulge personal information. Bart phrased it rather instructively when he demanded that I give the information so that the Ministry of Defense could be contacted to check on whether I was lying.

What extraordinary arrogance.

You all read only what you want. You screamed "lie" for every FACT I gave you that offended your personal comfort zones. Those involved are no more than a bunch of schoolyard billies threatening from behind a fence.

More balderdash than cods wallop.

[Lemmy]

eureka eureka:

I suppose I need to make one more! Just to point out that you are making my case. Even you, Lemmy, who are supposed to be a cut above this. Your anger began because I disagreed with an economic view put forward by you. You did not respond when I posted a link to a very significant study that supported both our viewpoints.

I have never been angry with you, just disappointed. I tried to explain to you that your position was one that is regarded as patently incorrect by an overwhelming majority of professional economists, just as climate change denial is one of overwhelming minority among credible climate scientists. Your nugget mining of a link doesn't change that.

I still hope you'll join in the discussions again.

[ShepherdsDog]

For the life of me, I can't understand why people who feel that they are unwelcome here(and deservedly so) keep visiting the site. I guess their lives must be so empty that they crave any form of attention they can garner, even negative attention. Also, don't come in trying to dazzle us with your bullshit and then expect to be treated with kid gloves when you're made out to be a fraud.

PS: You're only allowed one swan song

[PublicAnimalNo9]

eureka eureka:

I suppose I need to make one more! Just to point out that you are making my case. Even you, Lemmy, who are supposed to be a cut above this. Your anger began because I disagreed with an economic view put forward by you. You did not respond when I posted a link to a very significant study that supported both our viewpoints.

As for the rest, what a load of codswallop. There is scarcely a post I made that did not contain researched information.

The chief angst seems to have been that I refused to divulge personal information. Bart phrased it rather instructively when he demanded that I give the information so that the Ministry of Defense could be contacted to check on whether I was lying.

What extraordinary arrogance.

You all read only what you want. You screamed "lie" for every FACT I gave you that offended your personal comfort zones. Those involved are no more than a bunch of schoolyard billies threatening from behind a fence.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

What extraordinary arrogance.

Yup, that summed up most of what you posted aside from that which was pure, unadulterated bullshit.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

That's fine. But the reaction is the responsibility of those that reacted, and they didn't come off looking too good either. And E isn't the only one that gives short shrift to the opinions of people who disagree with him, and I'm not just talking about myself here. But the real shit flinging started with his opponents.

I agree with some of what you say (even the bit of self pitying part you insinuate though frankly, I'd be surprised if you could type with a straight face that your yourself don't give short shrift to the opinions you don't like)

However, Eureka got a very negative reaction from many and I'll admit my leading role here. But your lionizing of him misses the shit flinging that he himself engaged in - regularly. His dismissive and arrogant approach to debate, his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims to justify his moral superiority on every point, or his own rapid descent into vitriol with posters who disagreed with him or disliked his overly condescending attitude.


Pity you missed all that in your drive to canonize your poor martyr.

[andyt]

See, that's what wrong with CKA. It's like I'm speaking a different language. I acknowledge that I also give short shrift to opinions that differ from mine, and you twist it around to mean I'm saying I'm hard done by.

I mean, parse the fucking sentence: And E isn't the only one that gives short shrift to the opinions of people who disagree with him, This means that Eureka doesn't suffer contradictory opinions gladly - Get it?



and I'm not just talking about myself here. This means that I also dismiss the opinions of others, think I'm right. And it also means that neither Eureka nor I are the only ones on the forum to do so, it's pretty well the norm. Get it?

Christ

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

See, that's what wrong with CKA. It's like I'm speaking a different language. I acknowledge that I also give short shrift to opinions that differ from mine, and you twist it around to mean I'm saying I'm hard done by.

I mean, parse the fucking sentence: And E isn't the only one that gives short shrift to the opinions of people who disagree with him, This means that Eureka doesn't suffer contradictory opinions gladly - Get it?



and I'm not just talking about myself here. This means that I also dismiss the opinions of others, think I'm right. And it also means that neither Eureka nor I are the only ones on the forum to do so, it's pretty well the norm. Get it?

Christ

Sorry, andy, you're right, I misread that.

Any response to the rest?

[andyt]

Sure. More bullshit. Lionizing. Come on, you're just trying to start a fight. Eureka didn't handle the shit storm that came his well very well. I'm not sure anybody on this forum could - I've never seen anything like it. He was dismissive of other's opinions and called them ignorant when he started here. But the shit flinging started with the other, ie your side until he also resorted to it. Nobody comes off looking good here, but the vitriol was hurled at him first.

There's lots of arrogance on this forum. Brock likes to do it to me. Lemmy did it one of my first posts, telling me he's an economist, so I didn't know but he did. As you yourself said in the Marines pissing post, if someone insists that only they have the knowledge to have an opinion, it sure shuts down any discussion real fast.

If someone has specific expertise on a topic, well their opinion is more informed. But with Lemmy, there are plenty of economists who disagree with him, yet he sometimes comes on like he has the revealed truth and nobody else can know. Brock seems to be an expert on many things, without ever listing a source - he just knows and I don't. Dayseed has history all figured out, and only he knows. etc. If the discussion is about a technical aspect, where there's one clear answer, I'll defer to an expert. But in most cases there is a multiplicity of perfectly valid opinions.

I don't know the validity of the backup info that Eureka posted. I'm not arrogant enough to say I know the truth about global warming, nor do I have the scientific expertise. Actually nobody on this forum does, so we all just refer to articles that back up our personal bias. Eureka certainly seems to think he's found the truth here, but his opponents seem to as well.

So again, everybody's wearing some shit here. Maybe time to cool off, have a shower, start fresh and keep things down to the usual CKA level. That would take an effort on both sides, IMO.

[1Peg]

eureka eureka:

You may call it lurking, Hyack. I look at some threads here to see whether there is information that I can benefit from. I do that with news outlets and various forums for that purpose only.

I have no intention of communicating here while those sick twits have the run of the place.

Sadly, I am not picking up too much here that is of any use. It seems that the site has gone comatose as far as actual intelligent discussion is concerned.

You're a sucker for punishment....

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Sure. More bullshit. Lionizing. Come on, you're just trying to start a fight.

I think you're giving short shrift to my opinion, andy.

[andyt]

Sorry

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

If someone has specific expertise on a topic, well their opinion is more informed. But with Lemmy, there are plenty of economists who disagree with him, yet he sometimes comes on like he has the revealed truth and nobody else can know.

Are any of those economists here, andy? If someone with similar qualifications and experience wants to debate me on economics, I'll happily do so (and do so every day at work). But, of course I'm going to engage those sorts of discussions differently when they're had with people who haven't any real understanding of the discipline. I don't see why you're surprised that non-experts are treated differently by experts. It's got nothing to do with having "revealed truth". You also seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between when I'm stating my professional opinion and when I'm stating the popular belief among economists. 9 times out of 10, when I jump into an economics discussion, I treat it as I would an undergraduate class, leaving my own opinions largely out of the discussion.

andyandy andyandy:

So again, everybody's wearing some shit here. Maybe time to cool off, have a shower, start fresh and keep things down to the usual CKA level. That would take an effort on both sides, IMO.

Ahh, so you take a back-handed personal attack at me (and others) on the same post that you urge peace and a fresh start? How about you go fuck your hat first, then maybe we can have that shower together.