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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:47 am
 


You're going all swimming pool again. It's a non sequitur because it wasn't part of the discussion, nobody was arguing that people should have pythons but not pit bulls. Maybe I should have said red herring instead.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:57 am
 


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You're going all swimming pool again. It's a non sequitur because it wasn't part of the discussion, nobody was arguing that people should have pythons but not pit bulls. Maybe I should have said red herring instead.


Neither are correct. Pets that kill children include pitbulls, and pythons. It neither 'does not follow' nor is it an attempt at changing the subject. As you said: "They are more dangerous than other dogs, and should be treated as such." then you opened the door to other dangerous pets as well.

You could also try using the quote function.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:08 am
 


IT does nothing for your argument to bring up pythons. We could compile a long list of dangerous pets, maybe even household items, like, I don't know, swimming pools, and it has no relevance to pittbulls. It doesn't make them less dangerous. So a non sequiteur/red herring.

Guns in the home are more dangerous than pittbulls too. See how easy this is?


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Guns in the home are more dangerous than pittbulls too. See how easy this is?


Guns and swimming pools have no will of their own. The temperament of guns is not what we were discussing. The temperament of pitbulls vs other pets was.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:49 pm
 


The problem with pit bulls isn't inbred characteristics. It's that the breed attracts loser and douchebag owners because of the "bad boy" reputation so it becomes a viscious and self fulfilling circle.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:17 am
 


though the topic is Pit Bull how many are aware of the Boerboel? Kinda makes the pit bull look like a pussy


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though the topic is Pit Bull how many are aware of the Boerboel? Kinda makes the pit bull look like a pussy


I've seen stories about them. {shudders}

I was doing a little looking around, researching things like the Black Russian Terrier, Irish Wolfhound and the Cane Corso. All of them sound like great companions, but all of them also have random personality glitches that can see them become very aggressive, sometime toward their owners. And they don't make little poodle bites either.

I fell in love with Irish Wolfhounds at the dog park. A lady there had one that she bred, and we were convinced that the dog loved me more than her owner. She would see me on the other side of the park (they have amazing vision!) and run at warp 2 right at me. She'd also walk beside me, and liked to 'chew' on my fingers as we walked. It's a very creepy and cool sensation to have a dog sort of 'gum' your finger just behind it's canine teeth. They are just like blunt scissors! You realize just how powerful their jaws really are, and how much damage they can do if they wanted. It was her friendliness that ultimately was her downfall. In running full bore and body slamming people, she cracked some vertebra in her neck and they never really healed. :(

One of her offspring, a male, was adopted by a lady who had absolutely no way to control him. He easily outweighed her. He was known for chasing and downing deer near the park. If he saw deer, coyotes or wolves, he'd just jump the 8' fence and run them down. 8O I heard bylaw enforcement was after her to get control of him or put him down. :(


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:02 am
 


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The problem with pit bulls isn't inbred characteristics. It's that the breed attracts loser and douchebag owners because of the "bad boy" reputation so it becomes a viscious and self fulfilling circle.


That doesn't seem to be the sole case. Lot's of stories of pit bulls that turn that had apparently decent owners. The problem then is their aggression and bite strength, that they do far more damage than most other breeds. Any dog can snap, the results are so much worse when pit bulls do it. When they account for 70% of fatalities but only 6% of all dogs, you know something is wrong.

Dickhead owners are definitely a problem too tho.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:47 am
 


Those kind of in home incidents usually happen though when a small child does something that scares the dog, like grab at the face or neck. The kid doesn't know any better that pretty much any kind of dog is going to have a sudden negative instinctive reaction to gestures like that. That's why small kids should never be left alone with any animal. Adults need to be there for the safety of everyone, including the dog.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:01 pm
 


It takes me two hands to count the times I've seen idiots walking these dogs to a playground, or through crowds at a fairground, where the dogs jaws are about the same height as a whole bunch of kids the dog doesn't know.

I don't know what the answer is, but no re-homing dogs that are potentially dangerous is a good start.

Maybe you should have to complete a course to own a dog over a certain size. The hassle would eliminate most of the lazy idiots right off the bat.

Maybe you should be held responsible for everything your pet does. As if you had done it yourself. Manslaughter, aggravated assault, property damage etc.


There aren't too many reasons a person would want a dog originally bred for what these dogs were bred for. There aren't any good ones.

You can select a better breed for guarding, companionship, as a watchdog etc etc.

These dogs are best at portraying a specific image, and inflicting damage. That makes them ideal for.... what? Exactly?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:15 pm
 


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There aren't too many reasons a person would want a dog originally bred for what these dogs were bred for. There aren't any good ones.

You can select a better breed for guarding, companionship, as a watchdog etc etc.

These dogs are best at portraying a specific image, and inflicting damage. That makes them ideal for.... what? Exactly?


You are quite right. The Pitbull was bred for hunting, then re purposed for fighting. It doesn't make the best family pet.

But the point of the articles I originally posted was; just because Pitbulls have a bad reputation doesn't mean that they have to be feared. Just because a pitbull isn't wanted anymore or is rescued from a dog fighting club doesn't mean it has to be put down. It can be a rehabilitated into a wonderful family pet, if treated accordingly.

That's why I was researching Cane Corso, Wolfhounds and the others - to see what would be both a good guard dog and a good companion. Seems the two are mutually exclusive. :( Good guard dogs will protect their territory, even from their owners. Same with pitbulls, they will protect their human 'pack', even if it's from the children down the block or the poodle 'invading' it's territory. :(


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:12 pm
 


They were also bred to guard children and used to be called "Nanny dogs". Apparently, they were better at it than Mary Poppins.
I've always been a dog lover, and somehow ended up running an ad hoc pit rescue because nobody else wanted them. They were mostly seized from drug dealers, but you know what? They were wonderful dogs. Sweet and good-natured, and wanted the same thing every dog wants. Some food and affection.
I rehabbed about eight of them and placed them in good homes, good families with kids. No problems.
I can't do it any more because you have to be strong, and I lost most of the use of one arm in work accident. Otherwise, I'd still be doing it. I miss those dogs.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:14 pm
 


Do an image search of nanny dogs. It will blow your mind.


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Mind Blown.

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UPDATE 5/21/13: Two years and nine months after the Nanny Dog Myth Revealed was first published, BAD RAP, a major pit bull advocacy group publicly announced that it will no longer support the Nanny Dog myth because it endangers children. While it is too late for many children, hopefully many will be saved in the future. Thank you, BAD RAP


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