[Gonzo]

Well, it looks like with the right united, liberals and NDP divided, a green party, and liberal scandel the conservatives still couldn't get into power. It seems to me Mulroneys stench still hangs in the air. I guess people just dont trust Harper or a conservative government that would send our troops to an illegal war, or cut taxes and increase spending with no plan on how to do that miracle task. I'm glad we dont have a right wing party in power that would ruin all the progress Canada has made. There is more to be done for abortion, legalizing pot, the environment. Even though legalizing gay marriages doesn't affect me at all, I would rather see gay people have equal rights more then taxes cut. I just cant see Harper ever giving them rights they deserve. Actually, I cant see the conservatives ever doing anything right.

[Rev_Blair]

The problem with the allegedly united Conservatives is that it wasn't a merger, it was a hostile takeover. We had a couple of refugees from that party working for the NDP here...they are progressive people who believe that there is more to life than money and the Old Testament. Their feelings about the Old Testament drove them out of the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives, Martin's all-consuming love affair with greed kept them moving all the way over to the NDP. Funny how that worked out.

There's a lot of finger-pointing going on in the Conservative camp right now. Ralph Klein is taking a lot of heat, the fools who spoke out against abortion and gay rights are taking a lot of heat, and L'il Stevie Harper has locked himself in a dark room and won't talk to anybody. Albertans are whinging about western alienation and how Ontario screwed them again. It ain't the west that's alienated, boys and girls, it's Alberta. Jump up and down and stamp your feet, Conservative Albertans, we're all tired of hearing it but have grown pretty good at ignoring recalcitrant children over the years.

[AdamNF]

Well thanks god.

the neo-cons were kept at bay...

[Rev_Blair]

Turns out that most Canadians are uncomfortable with a country that puts money before rights, Adam. Actually Steveie and his pals put everything before rights.

[AdamNF]

Since the campign started and ended i have talked to a lot of people. Most didnt know who they were voting for. Also most did not know anything about the NDP. After explaining there platform and what there all about people realy open up to the posibility to voting that way. If i had three of the platforms, had them all in white books. Read reach to a croud of people. People would pick the NDP one. But seeing they do not know the party...and dont want to Here in NF. Were goingto have to wait untill the old people die...

[Rev_Blair]

Just keep plugging away at it, Adam. It's important to remember that politics doesn't end when the election does. People who become core supporters change their minds very slowly. If you do a little better each time, you will get somewhere.

[Milton]

Rev, just so you know, all Albertans are not whining or demanding separation. A few conservatives and our news media are pushing the story line. The conservatives only got 37% of the eligible votes in Alberta cast for them so don't let them sell you the bologna about a majority of us wanting to separate from Canada.

[jerrysb]

i think there is one thing the alliance/conservative don't understand. If ontario, and i mean Torono holds the power, if you vote ALLIANCE/conservative, your vote will only count if torono vounts ALL/con. which means the ALL/con will only institute policies that don't go against what torononians believe. I doubt stevie harper will let his polls go down just to please a few rednecks in alberta.

second, i'd like to add, that living in alberta, but being born in whitehorse and living there till i was twelve, living a year and a half in france, 3 in montreal and gibsons, bc, that when you hear about western alianation, it's not just alberta. Alberta has it's peeves, but then manitoba has differant problems, same as bc or saskatchewan. I just wish we would stop looking at alberta and thinking this is western canada. Out of 9 Mill living in the western provinces, only 3 live in alberta.

[Rev_Blair]

I know most Albertans are not Harper supporters or even Conservatives, Milton. I'm sure they aren't separatists. I'd love to see all these men (and it is almost all men) doing the screaming about being alienated push this to a vote. Maybe they'd realise how wrong they are.

Jerry said,

$1:

I doubt stevie harper will let his polls go down just to please a few rednecks in alberta.

That is what happened this election though, Jerry. It happened the one before that and the one before that. It isn't just Harper's social conservatism either, although that certainly plays a part. Most Canadians are not comfortable with his stance on everything from the military to the economy.

[sk1d]

The way I see it is 'conservatives' don't like change. They want everything to be the way it was 50 years ago. Follow the same economic policies used 50 years ago, the same social policies used 50 years ago. They can't face the reality that the world has changed and will contiue to change. I think that's what most people saw in the 'New Consarvatives' and didn't like that. Canadians like to think of their country as a progressive one, and a conservative government would have been a step backwards for the country.

[twiztidklown]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

Turns out that most Canadians are uncomfortable with a country that puts money before rights, Adam. Actually Steveie and his pals put everything before rights.

I personally am extremely uncomfortable with that.

I was back in BC during the election so I decided to go vote, as I don't yet have my citizenship in the US. I voted Libreal because there was no way in hell i wanted to see the conservates gain power. I am not completely for Libreal, but i knew no other party had a chance of winning against the conservatives. I know my opinion doesnt matter since I no longer live in Canada, but I really do not want to see the country I grew up in and loved toren to shit because some asshole wants to take away certin peoples rights and put all the money towards the military. Why does our money need to put towards that in the first place? we don't start wars, noone trieas to start stuff with us. I personally don't see the point. I'd much rather have Canada put rights before money, thats how every country should be.. Instead of money grubbing assholes.

[GerryHurt]

sk1d sk1d:

The way I see it is 'conservatives' don't like change. They want everything to be the way it was 50 years ago. Follow the same economic policies used 50 years ago, the same social policies used 50 years ago. They can't face the reality that the world has changed and will contiue to change. I think that's what most people saw in the 'New Consarvatives' and didn't like that. Canadians like to think of their country as a progressive one, and a conservative government would have been a step backwards for the country.

You ignorant son of a bitch!!! Canada's not good enough for you to continue living here yet you "vote" because you were here at the time and don't have your us citizenship "yet"?The united s__ts of america deserves ya!

[twiztidklown]

GerryHurt GerryHurt:

sk1d sk1d:

The way I see it is 'conservatives' don't like change. They want everything to be the way it was 50 years ago. Follow the same economic policies used 50 years ago, the same social policies used 50 years ago. They can't face the reality that the world has changed and will contiue to change. I think that's what most people saw in the 'New Consarvatives' and didn't like that. Canadians like to think of their country as a progressive one, and a conservative government would have been a step backwards for the country.

You ignorant son of a bitch!!! Canada's not good enough for you to continue living here yet you "vote" because you were here at the time and don't have your us citizenship "yet"?The united s__ts of america deserves ya!

Umm, I have a feeling you were talking about me, may I ask why i am ignorant? Cuz I voted?! as I stated before, even though I don't live there anymore I am completely against the Conservatives, and I do not want them in power (yA I shou;ldn't care, but sorry I do.. I was born and lived there till i was 19, I don't wanna see my home country fucked up) . I still had a right to vote when I voted, I still am A Canadian citizen. Please vioce your opinions with facts instead of sitting there calling me names. K thanks.

BTW i didn't move out of the country cuz It wasn't good enough for me, I'd rather not live in the states, as Canada does kick ass and is an awesome place. there is a reason I moved to colorado, it is not because I didnt consider canada "good enough".

[GerryHurt]

Ok.... how about you tell me the reason you "HAD" to move to the united sl_ts of america. (little hint.... if it was to "get a job" then I don't think much of assholes that use Canada's low cost education system then desert our country for "higher paying" job oportunities.)

[twiztidklown]

GerryHurt GerryHurt:

Ok.... how about you tell me the reason you "HAD" to move to the united sl_ts of america. (little hint.... if it was to "get a job" then I don't think much of assholes that use Canada's low cost education system then desert our country for "higher paying" job oportunities.)

Sure, I didn't HAVE to move, I chose so. I chose to move for love. you can give me shit all you want, I don't care. I know where I am from, I'll never forget where I am from, I have pride for canada. It is a remarkable country.. sometimes you have to go with your gut feeling, give up what you have in order to make yourself happy.