[PluggyRug]

I live in Southern Ontario were most of the sheeples vote Liberal. We even have a slick, lying, control freak Liberal provincial goobernment.

My oh my what a gutless province.

Frank

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PluggyRug PluggyRug:

I live in Southern Ontario were most of the sheeples vote Liberal. We even have a slick, lying, control freak Liberal provincial goobernment.

My oh my what a gutless province.

Frank

Oh look, another bitter righty still snivelling about his pathetic excuse for a party being kicked out of power in Ontario because of their lying and control freak attitude towards the people of this province.

You do remember how Eves lied that there was no defecit..
You do remember Mike the Knife Harass's approach to Dr's and teachers in the province?
You do remember Ipperwash
You do remember Walkerton
You do remember them selling off a publicly funded highway to a private consortium?
You do remember them trying to sell off the management of this province's nuclear plants to a U.S. company?
You do remember a certain Tory MP ( Tsubouchi) telling people that couldn't afford the Tory cuts to social programs to shop wiser and eat more canned tuna.

The list could go on and on about why these inept assclowns were turfed..

[Rev_Blair]

Layton was just reiterating what he's been saying since the Liberals brought the budget down, Avro, that he will support it if the corporate tax break goes away. He's the only leader that seems interested in actually doing the work of government.

If you watch Question Period, it is often the NDP who ask the only questions not having to do with scandal. At the same time, they do ask questions about the scandal. They just don't dwell on it to the extent that nothing else gets done.

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Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

Layton was just reiterating what he's been saying since the Liberals brought the budget down, Avro, that he will support it if the corporate tax break goes away. He's the only leader that seems interested in actually doing the work of government.

If you watch Question Period, it is often the NDP who ask the only questions not having to do with scandal. At the same time, they do ask questions about the scandal. They just don't dwell on it to the extent that nothing else gets done.

Well put Rev.

And for that I have respect for them.

Unlike the two parties (Conservatives and Bloc) which are filibustering the house with their obsession over the scandal.

[figfarmer]

it was the times that the NDP rode a sinking party into the ground that we got our greatest social programs, like health care. Go Jack!

[Rev_Blair]

$1:

I believe that is what Martin was saying in his speech. Will you defend Martin the same way you defend Layton? Or is this just NDP biblical doctrine?

Martin has a point about not being able to get anything done, so I will defend him on that point. I also believe we should wait for Gomery to make his final report before another election. That would give the parties a chance to run on a platform of reforms to keep this from happening again. Without the final report we really do not know what happened. We know parts of it, but Gomery is the one who has heard all of the testimony and has access to the millions of pages of documents.

$1:

What you don't understand Rev is this is Jack's opportunity to reach out to voters but he instead chooses to prop up the government for a few favors.

He is reaching out to voters by making the offer, especially voters in Ontario. He's saying that the corporate tax cut should be trashed and the money should go to the provinces to address the fiscal imbalance. He has made it very clear that he will work with the Ontario government to address their fiscal problems.

He is also not saying that he wouldn't vote to bring down the government on a non-confidence motion separate from an altered budget or that he will vote for a budget he doesn't agree with.

So is Layton willing to prop up a Liberal government no matter how corrupt it is? Nope. He is willing to work with that government until we know how corrupt they are, what the facts are, as long as that government is willing to work with him. Given that most Canadians do not want an election right away, that is also reaching out to the voters.

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Avro Avro:

As I thought you like Mr. Layton have no idea the mood of the country. Enjoy oblivion Rev cause that is where you and your like are headed.

The mood of the country according to most polls is that they do not want an election held right now.

What Jack Layton is proposing makes the most sense.
Let's get on with running this country and in the meantime, Justice Gomery will continue to handle the inquiry so that the next government, whoever that may be, will be elected based on a clear understanding of what took place and what needs to be done to ensure this does not happen again.

Besides which, do we really want to elect a new government right before the house of parliament recesses for summer?

[Rev_Blair]

Funny, the Liberals and NDP went up in the polls after the speeches. The Conservatives went down. All of the polls so far have indicated that people do not want an election right away. It will take a lot more polls to see if there's a trend, but the ones we have so far suggest that the mood of the country is very close to what I've been saying. So are the man on the street interviews that I've seen on all three of our networks and the call in shows I've listened to.

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Avro Avro:

Interesting, you see I live in Ontario and the man on the street interviews have been quite contradictory of what you have experienced. I suggest you listen to CFRB on the net.

Well that might explain it. You listen to a primarily right wing talk radio station.
I mean hell, Michael Coren is about as Conservative as they get and Bill Carroll readily admits he's pro Conservative.

I can picture it now..

CFRB man on the Street: "Hello sir, do you support Stephen Harper?
Innocent Person: Why yes I do
CFRB man on the Street: Excellent, can we interview you?
Innocent Person: Is this going on the radio?
CFRB man on the Street: Absolutely, we want the truth to be out there
Inncoent Person: Fire away then..

Five minutes later..

CFRB man on the Street: "Hello Miss, do you support Stephen Harper?
Innocent Lady: No
CFRB man on the Street: Thanks, that's all we need to know.

CFTB man on the Street: Excuse me sir, do you support Stephen Harper?
Innocent Man:I'm from Alberta son, you'd better believe it.
CFRB man on the Street: Excellent, welcome to Toronto, can we interview you?
Innocent Man: If it helps kick those rotten bastards from power, then I'm your man.


CFRB man on the Street: Thinks to himself.. Well that makes 2 interviews we've done. That's enough for a majority in my mind

$1:

As for polls, some of them have suggested that Liberal support is the lowest in 20 years while NDP support is unchanged.

Really?

What polls are you reading from?
The ones taken from a right wing rag like the Toronto Sun?

The one fact you seem to have forgotten to mention is that while yes, the Liberals poll numbers are down, the Conservatives numbers aren't up all that much in comparison. As for the NDP numbers, they are up somewhat and I'm sure that is because some Liberal supporters are now moving towards the NDP.