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Not in name. But the vast majority of first-world countries have the majority of their population of Christian faith.
Irrelevant. The governments are still secular.
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Almost every scholar agrees that Christianty was the important factor that made Western Civilization the way it is today.
That is the "Every True Scotsman" fallacy.
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Christians in North America arn't protesting the freedom to religion. They're protesting the repression of they're own freedom to worship .
They never had it the way they mistakenly believe they did. It was that if anyone preotested what wa happening in the past they were usually told to shut up or worse. It is only now that Christianity has weakened so much that other's can now speak their minds and point out the hypocrsy of the majority which had oppressed them for so long.
The truth of the matter is that the one group which has persecuted Christians the most throughout history are other Christians.
You fundy Christians must realize that you can't have everything your way anymore. They days when you could get away with oppressing others are over.
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Kids in schools can't put recite a prayer to themselves before an exam or a meal without getting sent to the priniciples office.
Wrong, they can't say a prayer while being lead by the teacher or other school authority. No one can stop you from silently saying a prayer to one's self.
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Its considered bigoted to say the words "Merry Christmas", some schools are drafting rules which would ban Catholic students from wearing their crosses,
It is the same of any religious symbols as well.
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That's what Christians are upset about, not the fact that there are more than one religion.
What they are upset about is the fact that they can't impose their beliefs on all.
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IN fact they tend to take advantage of the different religions that are here, for example, when they protested gay marriage the Christian organizations allied themselves with Muslim, Jewish and Hindu to show that they had a wide coalition.
All dominance based religions are the same.
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The fact that Christians today have reformed themselves from the Christianity practised 700 years ago doesn't really impress you does it?
Wrong again, they haven't "reformed" themsleves at all, it is the fact that Christianity is in such decline that they no longer have the power or influence they once had, but if they did then things like the Inquisition and the Burning Times would still be around. You've proven that Christianity isn't reformed by your very reaction to those who are gay. You called them "freaks of nature" and want to take their rights away from them. You've also shown this intolerance in your political beliefs as well since you are also trying to merge the two. A theocracy is one of the worse forms of tyranny there is.
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Christians today in your own mind are responsible for the actions of their co-religionists centuries ago? Do you think people of German Descent should be be resonsible for something their grandparents did 60 years ago?
What happened in germany was yet another example of Christian evil since Hitler was in fact a devout Catholic.
In his own words.
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The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. [original italics]
For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other.
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Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [original italics]
-- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf",
translation by Ralph Mannheim.
And there is also this
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Hitler certainly appeared at times to be a theist, and claimed to be a Christian:
The Führer made it known to those entrusted with the Final Solution that the killings should be done as humanely as possible. This was in line with his conviction that he was observing God's injunction to cleanse the world of vermin. Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy ("I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [quoting Hitler]), he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God -- so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty.
-- John Toland (Pulitzer Prize winner),
from "Adolf Hitler", pp 507, talking about the Autumn of 1941.
The "I am now as before a Catholic..." quotation from Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience, and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies.
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I see, so 9/11, Bali, Nigeria, Spain Afghanistan, the Philipines, Algeria, and Saudia Arabia are not the problem. Christians are still the biggest threat to thew world?
I see that you aren't aware of US policy in the area during the last 50 years or so.
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Oh I see, so you mean to tell me that in deep underground, there is a comitee of Church elders who keep re-writing history and brainwashing us with those re-writes? Geez, your pathetic man.
The bible is a highly revised and edit piece of work. Your ignorance is amazing. What is pathetic is your total unwillingness to access the facts.
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Well let's take a small jog through history shall we?
Atheist dictator Adolf Hitler kills 6 million.
Hitler was a devout catholic and had stated so.
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Atheist dictator Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union has killed more than 100 million.
He was a seminary student studying to become a priest. And that number is way over inflated. It includes those killed during WWII by the Nazis. Plus, many of those who died didn't die in the name of atheism, but in the name of Stalinism a perverted form of communism.
Since atheism isn't an organized belief system such as Christianity is no one can die in its name. The only thing that atheists have in common is that they don't believe that a god exists. There is no set dogma or doctrine either. .
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The Khemer Rouge killed 1.7 million.
Asian religions tend to be non-theistic so your point here is irrelevant.
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Muslim Saddam Hussein has killed over 200000 of his own people.
He wasn't a Muslim. He even had a Christian in his top circle. Plus, those people were killed with WMD supplied to him by the US so in fact the US is responsible for those deaths. Currently the US has directly killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqis as well. An US general even stated that this is a holy war and Bush invokes god whenever he can in this also.
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Muslim Ayatolah Khmonei has killed 320000 people in his first three years in power alone!!!
Still a theist.
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IN Algeria, it is estimated that that around 624000 muslim civilians have been slaughtered by their fellow muslims (Terrorists who lost an election 12 years ago are taking it out on the people. )
Theist against theist, nothing new.
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Or how about China? (You mean to tell me that Mao was a bibe-thumping Christian?) what about Imperial Japan? What about Congo? What about India and Pakistan?
Asian religions are non-theistic.
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But let's go back to the times of the crusades and the inquisition as you like renember...
On a per capita basis it was far worse back then.
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Let's renember the Muslim Conquest of Spain, the Battle of Tours, the execution of Jews in Qurayza by Muslims. Or 9/11?
Still nothing in comparison.
Two can play at this game.
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Well, just add up the number of Children who have been molested by Adults of the same sex and the number of gay AIDS victims and you got yourself a number..
Again, you haven'r read the evidence or just simple refused to accept it. So, you believe that the continent of Africa is filled with nothing but homosexuals? The group with the highest rate of AIDS are young black heterosexual males. AIDS has always been a heterosexual disease.
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[size=12]Due to 9.11 and the dot com bubble, but things are climbing back up..
Wrong, yet again.
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Actually a corrput government is one which overseas wastefeul spending, gives public money to its friends in "government contracts" takes part in Adscam, and is power-hungry (Just like the LIEberals are). Just becuase its getting surplus doesn't mean it is clean.
If that is corruption than we need more of it since Canada as a whole is in very good shape. You seem to want to ignore the fact of 9 surpluses in a row under Liberal governments. From your other threads I can see that you are irrational when it comes to the real world.
